At what temps must the CPU fan kick in?

I just finished watching a 2 hour movie (John Doe Vigilante) and after being done, I went back to my lappy and noticed the temp was 80C and could feel some heat coming from the keyboard.

Now I have applied GELID Extreme Thermal Compound on both the GPUs and CPU (still didn't receive the Liquid Ultra for the CPU yet)

Under normal circumstances if one doesn't use HWiNFO at what temps should the fans kick in? I thought BIOS A10 fixed that but the fans didn't kick in the whole time the movie was playing. Is it because it has the GELID Extreme Thermal Compound so the BIOS still thinks it doesn't need to activate the fans @ 80C or what?

Now I have my clock speed @ 4 GHz for now running stable even can complete the wPRIME stability test whereas in the past without the GELID Extreme Thermal Compound I wasn't ever able to complete the wPRIME stability test only the speed test.

I do use HWiNFO when I wanna overclock past 4 GHz but I am wondering how is the normal operation of this laptop supposed to be? I don't think the average Joe would need to run some extra utility just to keep the laptop cool right? or am I missing something here?

 

BTW, does anyone recommend me to downgrade to BIOS A09 or stay on A10?

 

I would say something is diffently not right. My fans kick in at around 50-60c (mild at first) and full speed at anything above 75c. I'm using hwinfo full time now, pc at 4.3mhz. I usually game for 2.5hrs tops and never get above 65c. I'm using IC Diamond. I've only watched LOTR on my pc but temps stayed in mid 50s.

 

hmm, let me try flashing back to BIOS A09

 

Thanks man, so I flashed back to BIOS A09 and now the fans kicked in when I did the wPrime Stability test. The whole test ran successfully with average temp at full load on 8 cores being 87C @ 3.8 GHz for all cores and max temp reached 91C for a few instances.

That sounds right?

Do you think I should re-pate with my Liquid Ultra once it arrives or use the system this way for a few months till the GELID Extreme Thermal Compound requires a repaste then put the Liquid Ultra?

BTW, temps on idle @ 4 GHz are 46C

 

I'm using A10 bios, I've never used wPrime but just make sure your fans are working right. I won't advise you as to when to repaste, but as I sit on my pc just surfing (and watching videos) for the last 3hrs (I'm bored) and blindingly doing nothing my CPU idle temps is 35c-39-c, and both cards are at 35c. I did use liquid ultra, but I was having problems with my cards and ran out, and the only thing I had was the IC Diamond. I did like the results I was having with the liquid ultra, and next time I repaste I will use it. Right now temps are low so I'm leaving things alone (knock on wood).

 

When you say when you're surfing and stuff:

1) What clock speed are you on

2) Are you on the High Performance or the Balanced power plan?

3) please run wPrime, select settings first, then change the 1 core to 8 core then hit save. now run the Stability benchmark for about 2 mins and tell me what is the average and max temp please

 

1) clock speed 3.7

2) High performance

3) Sorry, not going to run wPrime. My system is running smoothly right now and I don't want to jinx it.

 

that explains it, thanks

 

Why not use max fan speed with Hwinfo64 when you run wprime 1024 or cinebench 11.5(also Xtu bench)benchmark tests ? 2013 models Aw 17 and 18 have broken fan profiles because of Dell useless software engineers. Use always maximum fan speed during benchmark tests. What scores you get in wprime 1024 ? I run wprime 1024 with max fan's and get 171.084 and temperature of 84-maximum 85 degrees Celsius. Same temperature with cinebench 11.5 and score of 9.23

 

Oh I know to use HWiNFO when running @ 4.4 GHz (Thanks to Mr. Fox) but now I am talking about daily operation the fans should kick in on their own. Anyway, I managed to fix it by flashing back to A09

I'll tell you my wPRIME and CINEBENCH scores soon bro

 

Yeah, I think I will going back to A09 as well. Was playing GW2 on autodetect settings and my 18 shut off. I re-pasted within the last 3 months. The only overclocking I'm doing is within the BIOS, OC level 1. My system shut down again during Dell's diagnostic tests, this time however, the fans didn't even make an attempt to spin up. I wasn't watching my Argus monitor but I've had enough thermal shut downs to know thats what it was.

Do I really need liquid ultra to play GW2 with minimal to no overclocking?? I really hope the next gen of i7's are less frustrating.

 

you don't need liquid ultra for no overclocking but my system sometimes freezes even with OC level 1. But definitely, something is wrong with A10 it wasn't starting the fans at all. Now they work like a charm with A09 and they kick in around 70 - 75C

 

i have A10 and i7-4910Mq and my fans kicks in around the 90C .. im gonna flash back to A09 and see how that gonna make a diff

 

Why do you use OC level 1 profile in the bios? Either use the standard turbo boost or you can start using Xtu and/or Trottlestop. Anything is better than the Oc profiles Dell developed for the AW 17 and 18 laptop. The Oc profile has both a too high voltage on the processor and have fault power settings ..
Which thermal grease do you use? Hotwell processors are hideous hot under full load compared to previous processor generations. Recommend either Gelid extreme or IC7 thermal grease. Have personal good experiences with Gelid extreme ..

 

i dont know how to use the Xtu or the Trottlestop for the i7-4910MQ and is 4.1 GHz is to much ?

 

Follow the instructions that Mr Fox has made. The only difference is that your processor may need some other adjustments. Have you been lucky with your processor, you can overclock your processor with fine performance and lower volts (= lower heat) for your processor. Also check out which xtu adjustments other people have done with the same processor in xtu settings. This you will find out in hwboot.com. (i7-4910mq). Look through the example for xtu settings in one link(see in the media gallery). Use ranking list that I'm referring to. There you can see which xtu settings other persons using for its i7-4910mq processor.
The example; http: //hwbot.org/submission/2805301_encor50_xtu_core_i7_4910mq_838_marks
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rankings?hardwareTypeId=processor_3575&cores=4#start=0#interval=20
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ly-have-it-run-full-stock-turbo-speed.734696/

 

i did try this and i found a perfect one he also have same motherboard so an Alienware 18 but fans did not kick in on time and i cause a shut down it was 100C to fast that fan didnt even start working on time ... and whats the min for core voltage ? its set on 1.200V

 

Remember that you should use a very good thermal grease, such as Gelid extreme or IC7. The best is Liquid ultra if you are not afraid to use it. You should use fan control and max speed with Hwinfo64 when running benchmark tests. The fan profile in AW 17 and 18 are very poor. It is normal that the fans do not kick in on time when the temperature and watt increases rapidly during the benchmark tests. Thank you Dell. Run the fans at max. Can you tell which of the profiles you use? Enter only link on this laptop that has the profile you use. It is quite normal that a Mq processor may need some more voltage than an extreme processor, but not always. It depends how lucky you are with the chip.
Its set on 1.200V; It depends on how high overclocking you have, and how lucky you are with the chip. 1..200v is not particularly much for a Hotwell ..

 

but i think im gonna stick with the stock oc lvl 1 with 39-39-40-41 its not gonna make much of a diff for me its only for gaming xD and dont get me started on overclocking my 880M ... so im gonna leave it in normal stock config. and thanx anyway

 

Well I have tried the XTU OC that Mr. Fox posted but my 4930MX does not agree with it. Since I am stationed in Japan and shipping is a bit of a pain I'd rather avoid giving my processor a dirt nap. At the same time I do want more out of the processor. Some where along the lines of what was advertised. I hope the next generation of i7's are less... hmmm disappointing? Gen 1 was awesome, didn't get my hands on any 2s or 3s.

EDIT: I used Artic Silver 5 thermal paste btw. It did wonders when I was overclocking the 920 listed in my sig.

 

You have to play around with these Xm/MX processors... Each one is different.. Also for a 4930MX, you need to use some better thermal paste.. AS5 is junk.. Gelid GC Extreme is much better but not sure that you'll be able to get it in Japan.. Maybe @TBoneSan can provide some advice on this (he lives in japan too)..

 

You can easily buy Gelid GC Extreme at any PC Depot in Japan. Or probably any computer shop in Akihabara. If you want Liqual Metal just order from Amazon - it will be on your doorstep the next morning

 

Neither Gelid GC Extreme or IC7 is good enough if you want to overclock Hotwell extreme... It's going to be fried with Wprime 1024... LoL.
AS5 is out of date a long time ago ... An equally poor thermal grease is Noctua NT-H1