Apply Liquid Ultra on CPU + Heatsink?

In all the 3 videos I've seen, they put a very thin layer of Liquid Ultra on the CPU only, does that mean I don't need to put anything on the heatsink like I did with my GELID Extreme Thermal Compounr or shall I also put a thin layer on the heatsink?

Also, I read that Liquid Ultra dries and needs re-application......how often does that need to be done?

 

Do a skim on the heatsink too. Although not necessary, it only needs to be light. The TIM is so thin it just ensures you'll get good contact with the CPU.
This stuff never seems to dry.. I've checked. My last paste was probably almost 1 year ago and I've got zero degradation.

 

Right, so a thin layer on the CPU and a thin layer on the heatsink heh?

 

I also read many horror stories about how difficult it is to remove (both removing the heatsink from the CPU and the Liquid Ultra itself) is that true? Is it really worth it ?

 

It's easy to remove from the CPU, it just wipes off. The heat sink gets stained but even isn't that that hard to remove. Is it worth it? Hell yeah, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner.

 

Just did it, it was worth it, down by 5 degrees Celsius on idle and down by 6 degrees celsius on max load on all cores using wPrime stability test which kills any CPU and makes it beg for mercy!

Thanks a lot to j00, to Mr. Fox, and to my favorite buddy Mr. Paupsan who urged me to use Liquid Ultra! An Alienware 18 should never be sold without this crap really! It just cannot handle anything about 3.8 GHz at decent temps, sure it may run, but too hot for my liking. Now @ 50 C @ 4 GHz while typing this is something usable for me. and reaches up to 90C max @ 4GHz when doing all the 3DMark tests for about 30 mins

 

I've said this so many times before; If you have i7-49xx or i7-49xx extreme processors should all apply Liquid Ultra on these Hotwell processors even if you overclock or not .. Minimum requirement for I7-47xx or i7-48xx Mq processors is Gelid extreme or IC7 thermal grease. Everything else is useless in my opinion ..

 

True, on my 4940MX even without overclocking on stock paste I used to idle at around 60C now @ 4GHz now with the Liquid Ultra I idle at 45C @ 4 GHz

it makes a night and day difference and I think no laptop manufacturer should sell these Hotwell CPUs without Liquid Ultra

 

HaHa .. Imagine the situation with all corrupted motherboards and processors it had been if Dellienware started using Liquid ultra . Think of all the incompetent technicians Dell hires for repairing computers at home to customers .. Every other computer would be ruined by incompetent knowledge .. LoL
Dell would lost money and no profit ... HaHa
Think about how much better a Aw 17 and 18 had been, with both a proper fan profile and Liquid ultra ..

 

This is the temperature of my [email protected] when I am on the internet and browsing around, while my wife sits in front of the fireplace and Burning wood .. The temperature is normally between 38 and 42 degrees Celsius ... Magic .. .Prosessor fan almost never need to kick in at all during internet browsing .. As you can see processor fan Start almost never during internet browsing ..
while the other is taken after an hour .. the fan does not want to start. . LoL
After 30 min... After 1 hour...
The processor fan does not need to start ..
After 1.5 hour... After 2 hours...
Edit: After three hours ... The processor fan does not need to start at all .. Thank you Liquid ultra ... LoL

 

Dob post..

 

strange how your 4930MX gets lower temps than my 4940MX even though you're clocked 300 MHz higher!

 

Starts processor fan on your Aw during internet browsing? This is amazing .. I download pictures to this thread, type and searching around on the internet. Low temperatures. Using high performance under power options .. And the cpu fan dont need to start..

 

I've used the same application of liquid ultra now in one year .. Perverse ..

 

I download also images to my email on my AW, taken with my mobile .. Will post it too .. No influence almost on temperature .. Processor fan does not need to start .. LoL

 

Oh my fans never EVER kick in unless I am watching a movie with SVP (smooth video project) which ups the framerate from 30 FPS to 60 FPS in any movie and that requires a lot of power both from the CPU and GPU....otherwise I never hear the fan. I still think it's great that this laptop with its mighty speed can run cool @ 45 to 50 C with no fan spinning.....that's magic......I was just surprised how you run @ 35C with no fan that is insane

my fans only kick in @ 80 to 85C

 

BTW, can you run wPRIME stability test and complete it, tell me are you able to run it successfully or does your system shutdown in the middle due to thermal protection?

Please click settings, then select 8 cores, then run it, not 1 core but 8

Also, when running it, run CPU-Z on the side and tell me does your 4.3 GHz speed hold or does it downclock? that's a real test for you

 

Do not need to prove anything .. Have stored images also used Hwboot.com
http://hwbot.org/submission/2804601_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2736352_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2691690_
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rankings?hardwareTypeId=processor_2880&cores=4#start=0#interval=20
If I have had faster memory would the Xtu scores in xtu bench increased by up to 80 marks to about 1050 marks .. That faster memory means a lot in Xtu bench, this is verified. Edit: You can also test with Xtu bench. It moves on temperature ..
Max temp with my run in Xtu bench with all fans on max with hwinfo64..
Have more photos of tests and temperature ..
Have already ordered a 330W power supply. I've maxed out 240W power supply during several benchmark tests in over 1.5 year and it is more and more unstable..
This is the test run(9.32) with temp monitoring before my 9.40 record in Cinebench 11.5.

 

I don't need you to profe anything bro, I wanted u to run the stability test in wPRIME to see if you have a stable system at the settings you are running. Because being able to successfully finish a benchmark and actually using the system and stressing it out to the max is another thing. I was able to reach 4.3 GHz stable with the help of Mr. Fox but after I formatted and put back the same profiles in XTU, now when I run wPRIME, the CPU throttles down to 3.8 GHz despite me using Throttle Stop and the settings are exactly the same as he put before..... I don't know what to do

 

Hey bro Matrix Leader6
What adjustments do you use in Xtu ? Post a pict. No Hotwell(extreme) processor's is similar, some need more volts while others need less to run stable with an ok overclock. Mr. Fox has a very very good chip that does not need much volts to run stable with high overclock(my i7-4930mx is also good as Mr Fox says, but Mr Fox have a bettet cpu). As I see it; Have you used an earlier xtu profile that you imported into Xtu (after the formatting of Windows ?) I think you do that . Xtu utility is not particularly stable with import and export of profiles. Much better to insert all values in Xtu utility manually instead of importing them. Take a look at the link I put in the thread. Add all values manually in Xtu, as I've always do this... Mr Fox had to put other values in xtu utility eg (f.eks) after bios update's, because of unstable overclock with old xtu profiles. Xtu is not always tractable. LoL. That your processor fails to keep the max clock frequency during the benchmark tests, indicate lack of enough amps or power. Reinstall Xtu utility and add manually in all values you used before. If this does not work, try other values in xtu. Do not lower volts a way too low(Lower than 1.1780v / 1.1680v or similar with a high overclock - I need a bit over 1.200v), then you risk no post during startup of your AW 18. Getting the overclock to be stable, is just a trial/error before everything becomes good. You say; run CPU-Z on the side to monitoring the clock speed during the benchmark test. Better you use Hwinfo64 for monitoring the benchmark test , so you can see everything that happens during the benchmark test's in real time... Read these post about weird behavior using Xtu profiles ... Google translate does not like me ... Unfortunately, my English is not particularly good... Sorry for that bro
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-stock-turbo-speed.734696/page-2#post-9410107
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-stock-turbo-speed.734696/page-3#post-9413265

Will run more tests .. My newly acquired 330W power supply will be delivered soon. A 240W power supply is too * * weak for my AW17 R1 Ranger . A 330W is just right. It is worse for the AW18 who can not use something more powerful than the 330W...
http://hwbot.org/submission/2809877_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i7_4930mx_5sec_403ms
With temp moitoring... And Wprime32 without moitoring...

 

Here we go ... Matrix Leader6
New Wprime 1024 score .. 169.127 sec With Hwinfo64 to monitor the test...
Missing only 128 milli seconds to reach the 168 sec ...
http://www.uk.hwbot.org/submission/2810334_papusan_wprime___1024m_core_i7_4930mx_2min_49sec_127ms
Stable 4.3ghz throughout the Wprime 1024 stability test. The cores doesn't drop... The max temp is 89/90 degrees .. It depends on whether you look at max package temperature or other sensors. Remember AW17R1 Ranger has processor heatsink with only 2 pipes... AW 18 have 3 pipes...

New Wprime 32 score 5.391 sec
http://hwbot.org/submission/2810393_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i7_4930mx_5sec_391ms

Here are Wprime 32 and 1024, Cinebench 11.5 benchmark tests run with the Intel's new BGA laptop processors. Is this woeful reading? Intel's new high end laptop processors perform perhaps almost as good as the previous generation laptop processors.Maybe

 

WOW! that is really impressive bro!!! great job!

 

Yes.. This is impossible with the crappie thermal grease from Dellienware or other types of high end thermal paste's like Gelid extreme and Ic7. What do you think about the new BGA processors from Intel ? Assuming Intel thinks most about making a better iGPU than to make faster processors. Have you sorted out the trouble with xtu?

 

To me the BGA processors are bad, but not a deal breaker, just get the fastest one available and be done with it.

I've given up for a while on XTU until you or Mr. Fox can login to my system and help me over TeamViewer

 

Post a picture of your xtu settings you've tried to use and bios settings. Click on all profiles you tried and take a picture . Every processor (specially Hotwell) are off very variable quality when it's coming to how much you can overclock the processor. Some need low voltage and some need more to give stable overclock on the processor. What clockspeed do you use on all 4 cores nowadays?

 

I just did this on my 4710MQ, idle temps were at 60-65 degrees. There was way too much thermal paste, it was all over the transistors and such. Took it all off, cleaned the die and the heatsink, applied think layer of CLU on both die and heatsink, and changed dynamic CPU voltage offset to -55mV, now idles at 47 degC at 3.3ghz and 55degC at 3.6-3.7Ghz

much more acceptable, but still very hot, and too scared to undervolt any further for fear of bricking the system's NVRAM.

For comparison, my M18x R2 with triple pipe heatsink and CLU idles at 38-40 degC at 3.5ghz 3920XM

 

I can't get it to hold a 4.1 GHz speed on all 8 cores. On 1 core I get a 5.69 second score in the wPRIME benchmark score and the clock holds @ 4.1 but with all cores active, the speed drops to 3.1 GHz

Here are my XTU settings, what shall I do?

 

Can you try this. Should work for you. Start with this to check stability. You can lower the voltage if your processor does not need so much. Try 1.200v or lower but nothing much under 1.168v. You risk No post (soft brick) with to low volts. I take no responsibility for your adjustments in Xtu settings. You do it at your own risk .. But this Xtu setting should work for you ..No processor is likewise as I said earlier ..
You have 4 cores and 8 threads ..

 

thanks bro......Im done with this overclocking......Im gonna stick to the default 4 GHz overclock that IDPT provides as stability is more important for me....

 

Test it. Run the same volts and you get stable system. Can almost guarantee that you will not encounter problems with this profile .. To low voltage can create stability problems on processors ..
Can you also post a picture of your bios settings(advanced)?

 

Can you also show me 4GHz profile you are using now?

 

ok......last try.....lemme set me profile to the same like your image and report back.......

 

I have also already overclocked my gtx780m. Over P9400 in 3Dmark11 with a single graphics card .. As I said; I'm waiting on a 330W psu, my 240W is too weak for my overclocking ..
Shall out for a little walk with my dog. Give me feedback ... Is back in an hour ..

 

How did it go @ Matrix Leader6 ?

 

not so good, only Mr. Fox knows how to fix my CPU your settings are for a diff. CPU and the voltage is too high

 

What happened when you tested? Went still the clock speed down? Volt affects temperature. If you overclock the processor with higher clock frec you must increase volts anyway .. I have not seen what settings you use in bios ..

 

I just set the default settings in BIOS then do the changes through XTU

 

Bios settings before you use Xtu .. The difference is that you should have flex ratio override to 33 since you use i7-4940mx and not i7-4930mx ..
You can also go with 4x41/4x42 or 4x43.. After you apply this settings then restart. Don't go into win.. Only close Win. start up again win and open xtu. Take a pict of all setting like what I show you in earlier post.
When you aply new bus frequency settings in bios = You select restart ..

 

thanks a lot for that screenshot! I was finally able to install XTU and load the profiles without a freeze thanks to your settings.

@ 4.3 GHz the tests passed but this is not what I would run my system since the temps reach to 97C on all 8 cores in wPRIME stability test.

So I tried my 4.2 GHz profile which Mr. Fox set for me before and now it holds the 4.2 GHz clock speed even on all 8 cores in wPRIME and max temp reached is 95C averaging 92-93C. I'll keep it this way.

BTW, Mr. Fox back then set my cache frequency to 4.0 GHz not matching the clock speed of the CPU because I didn't have Liquid Ultra back then. Now I'm afraid to mess with this shall I leave the cache frequency @ 4 GHz or shall I increase it to 4.2 GHz? and what should I set the cache voltage to and the offset?





and here are my XTU settings:

 

Great stuff... Nice that I could help. You can try to increase the processor Cashe to the same speed. Then you should test Wprime STABILITY test again after increasing the cashe. But you do not earn very much on benchmark tests. If you get instability, you can increase the processor Cashe offset voltage a click up.(Maybe 5mv) Not much. You can also test with lowering the actual voltage slightly on processor, but you must test Wprime again. Why do you not use Liquid Ultra now? Or have I misunderstood?
Also run Cinebench 11.5 with hwinfo64 in the background. Set the hwinfo like the pict.. And post a pict after the Cinebench 11.5 test...

 

I didn't even need to run HwINFO, I increased the cache voltage to 42X without any offset and it was stable

Max temps are again 95C, I think I need to settle for a 4.1 GHz overclock to be on the cool side

 

hmm, tried the 4.1 GHz profile, no difference in temps between 4.2 and 4.1 GHz in terms of temps. Something in the back of my head tells me it is not safe to run this overclock all the time like this. I think I didn't get a good overclocker 4940MX. $850 USD wasted

 

Use Cinebench 11.5. Everyone does. I'd love to seen your Hwinfo in the background. Se the Wattage and stuff ..
http://downloads.guru3d.com/CineBENCH-11.5-download-2475.html
No probl to use 4.2ghz 24/7.. Do you use Liquid ultra. I don understand what you said earlier. You can also try to lower the voltage a bit to reduce the temp..
Edit: It is very variable quality of all Hotwell processors (both desktop and laptop). Much worse than previous Intel processors ...
It's fine if I can look at Hwinfo results that emerge during Cinebench 11.5 .. Test also with 3Dmark Fire strike. Has its own temperature monitoring. There you can also look at how the processor temperature is in the test.
Like this..

If you find an optimal settings for your extreme and get ok temp, then it becomes good..
Many people have trouble with an ok Overclock on Hotwell. Many also get No post (soft brick) and temperature problems ..

 

I'm done with overclocking, the gains are not worth the risk.

I managed to complete a wPRIME stability test just fine.....

@ 4.3 GHz = max temp = 97C
@ 4.2 GHz = max temp = 95C
@ 4.1 GH = max temp = 95C

So I kept the clock on 4.2 GHz to be on the safe side.

Now even though I managed to complete the wPRIME stability test @ 8 cores without throttling the speed, when I run a 3D Mark test, once I reached the Sky Diver test, my system shut down completely

For just 200 MHz above the standard Turbo Boost Overclock, I don't think it's worth it so I went back to the cTDB with the Intel Dynamic Framework driver.

Thanks a lot for your help and sorry for bothering you

PS: I got a very bad overclocking 4940MX it seems for $850 USD that drilled a whole in my pocket, bought it off Upgrade Monkey but still

 

dob post

 

Do not give up. When you conducted Wprime 1024, you shall also conduct Sky diver. Have you overclocked graphics cards? Sky diver pushes all your pc more than Fire Strike. with + 25w .. Have you a kill-a watt ?
Edit. You tripped surely(maybe) your 330W. To be sure you must use a kill-a-watt for verification of wattage ...

 

Never overclocked my GPU and both of them have GELID Extreme Thermal Compound

 

Have you tried with 1.200v on Vcore and 4.2ghz? Lower volts create lower watts (watts = heat).
Edit:
You say; For just 200 MHz above the standard Turbo Boost overclock, I do not think it's worth it so I went back to the cTDB with the Intel Dynamic Framework operates.
How is the temperature of your processor under the same Wprime 1024/Cinebench 11.5 tests with cTDP?

 

Hi
I think idles 47 degC at 3.3GHz and 55degC at 3.6-3.7Ghz with a i7-4710MQ(with voltage offset to -55mV) is quite high temperature with Liquid ultra... More natural that you should have had idle temperature of 38-42(max 46) degrees Celsius with Liquid ultra. My [email protected] have idle temp between 38 and 42 degrees Celsius... Are you sure you have a good enough application of Liquid Ultra?
Edit: Can you @Raidriar run Wprime 1024 stability test and monitor max temperature during the test?

 

I'd make sure you gave the heatsink screws more torque when tightening them with the Liquid Metal. I've had an instance when good contact wasn't made when I used it on GPU's. Also, I wouldn't place too much stock in idle temps. Run a benchmark and take note of the improvements under stress.