3D on M18x internal Screen?

Hello everyone. I recently noticed that I have the opportunity to overclock the internal display on the M18x R1 to 100Hz. Do you think I will be able to run 3D vision on this?

 

How did you find out you can OC your display?

 

Lucky, I can only ge to 85hz. No idea about the 3d.. Give it a try , you can be the guinny pig

 

LOL. I just might. I like playing old games so having a 680M powering that is just insane. I have searched all over the internet and nobody seems to be trying this . The display can be OCed directly from the Nvidia display driver

 

It's pretty awesome. I never do mainly because when I use my external monitor i know I'll hate going back to 60hz lol

 

Do we really notice the difference? I cant

 

Sadly I can notice. It's a curse more than anything lol

 

You would need an emitter to sync up the glasses to the LCD. I run my panel (17.3" AUO 90% gamut) at 100hz and it's so smooth.

 

I was hoping to buy the kit that includes the IR emitter. They are going for really cheap nowadays. Is there anything else I might need?

 

Well you would need to check compatibility on the software, usually the nvidia stuff needs an approved display to work.

 

That's correct, Brother Meaker. There's an old hack buried somewhere in the M18x sub-forum where a member of our community wrote a batch file to make it work. Without it you will get an on-screen watermark with some nonsense about "NVIDIA CONFIDENTIAL" when trying to use the 3DTVPlay software.

Edit: here ya go... [*Resolved] "Prototype Test-NVIDIA Confidential" Error Message using 3D Displays [See posts #283, 319]

 

Interesting stuff. I'd like to see what could come of this.

 

So if I'm getting this right, does it mean that the M18X R1 can do 3D gaming with the internal display or can we just overclock it ot 100Hz? Has anyone noticed a good amount of difference when the M18X R1 display is overclocked from 60HZ to 100HZ?

 

No, the internal display will not work for 3D. In fact, it is not very likely your M18xR1 display (identical part to the one in the M18xR2) will overclock to 100Hz, much less the 120Hz needed for 3D. Neither of my M18x LCDs had the ability overclock stable above 85Hz. Even at 85Hz all three of them can randomly start glitching out. The same is true for the display on this Alienware 18. I run them at 70-75Hz for a minor improvement and that has never been a high enough overclock to cause any issues. You'll need to use a native 120Hz refresh rate using an external monitor if you want 3D. You will also need the NVIDIA 3DTVPlay software for 3D to function. That's all I really know on the subject. I've never been done any tinkering with it and never developed an interest in 3D.

 

So how is the improvement from 60Hz to 85Hz? Is it worth it enough for me to overclock it?

 

3DTV play is a different kind of software than buying 3D vision 2 glasses and turning on Stereoscopic 3D. Stereoscopic 3D is simply turned on in the control panel for supported, attached displays (from my experience). 3DTV Play should be a different thing entirely. But you are correct, a 120Hz native screen is needed.

I would say 75Hz is enough of an improvement over 60Hz to justify it. I can see the difference, but if you can't then you might as well lock to 60 once more (as games like Skyrim which have stupid 60fps limit requirements work more oddly when above 60Hz displays). If you can see a difference, you would never drop it back down lol.

 

Thanks for chiming in D2 Ultima. I will try it out tonight after work. BTW, I'm running a single GTX 780M on my M18X R1. Does having an older GPU like a 580M or 680M affect how high you can overclock the screen? I'm guessing it doesn't matter since Mr. Fox said he was only able to get 75Hz on his Alienware 18 screen with dual GTX 780M.

 

No, it's per-screen dependent. It's actually very very much like a silicon lottery. Most screens can do an average of x Hz over stock. My old D900F would break if I so much as went to 61Hz, for example, when others had it at 75Hz without issue.

 

Mine does 100hz and the odd dismay will go higher.

 

Well just tested. So far I am able to get to 85Hz stable. Going back and forth from 40Hz to 60Hz to 85Hz, to my eyes, I see a nice improvement in screen fluidity when gaming and cursor surfing.

@Meaker are you saying you got your M18X R1 display up to 100Hz?

 

Meaker got his Clevo display that high.

You may start to experience some random odd behavior at 85Hz after a period of time. Mine seems OK set at 85Hz for a while. After a couple of days and a series of cold boots all three 18" Alienware displays had developed a wide (about 1") flickering white band across the bottom edge of the screen and the rest of the display will twitch now and then. I ran each machine a couple of days before that started happened. Rather than go down a few notches on the refresh rate, I just lowered it to what I already knew was a totally safe setting (70Hz to 75Hz). At 70Hz, I see a fairly nice improvement primarily in fluidity over 60Hz. It is easiest to see watching the mouse cursor closely or moving a window around on the screen. I have a very difficult time seeing a difference between 70Hz and 75Hz, so I just leave it at 70Hz. I figure there is no point in running it higher if I am not realizing any kind of benefit from doing so.

 

Yep I've found that I can run 85hz fine then suddenly upon boot it will glitch out and disappoint me. 75hz seems like a good balance otherwise.
Its just a shame for me most games don't like to vsync unless its 30/60/120 fps.
I wish we could somehow rig a gsync chip inside these babies.
Better still I wish there was a 18" 1440p panel that would fit.

 

My panel is the 90% gamut AUO 17.3 inch, so yes each panel size and model will have a different range of what let you can hope for.

 

One of these days if my laptop ever decides that "working" is a thing it wants to do, I'll try my screen at 144Hz just to see if it works XD.

 

There are risks in overclocking of the screen?And there are real benefits or not it's worth it?

 

I'm doing 75Hz on my screen and to my eyes there is an improvement. It subtle but it is nice.

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Improvement like as a mouse movement smoother and faster?

 

Yes, and games too. FPS games will show the best improvements.

 

I was playing Tomb Raider at 75Hz and it looks better to me than at 60Hz. Others might not see the difference but it all depends on the person really.

As Mr. Fox said overclocking to 75Hz is a pretty safe marginal overclock so you should see for yourself.

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Yes, smoother. I notice it most when dragging an open window. It moves smoothly instead of a micro-jerky snap-to-grid type of thing. (Most of us are numb to that and it seems "normal" until it's no longer there.) It's hard to describe, but not hard to see. As far image quality is concerned, it seems no different to my eyes. I wouldn't say "faster" though... no difference that I can see there.

 

Thank you all for the answers, when I get the new cards on my m18x I try!

 

Good luck! I hope it all works out for you!

 

Everything becomes more responsive with a higher refresh rate, things like input lag improve. It's a combination which give the overall impact.

 

Yeah I had to oc my internal screen to 75hz so that the DK2 is smooth and won't cause me to feel nauseous lol.

 

How the hell do you OC the internal screen? I've have no idea how to do that at all lol... Any threads/guides to follow?

 

I oced my AW18 internal Screen to 100Hz and (i think ^^) it looks much better and smoother.

 

AT YOUR OWN RISK!! if you do find a guide please take care not to overclock too much. I overclock mine to 75hz but that's because I need vsync at 75hz all the time I use my DK2. I don't think I can go to 100hz and I don't want to try going from 60hz - 100hz too much of a change.

 

Just use the pixel overclocking function in Precision X, or allow non supported resolutions in NCP and test what hz your screen can handle.

 

For this you must disable the intel iGPU. Another downside of using Optimus. At least your M17x can do this (or I hope it can; I know using 980Ms requires in weird BIOS configurations needing to be set).

 

Good catch.. Yes Optimus comes to ruin the day.

 

He was defending Optimus the other day saying it wasn't all bad... wonder what he'll say now :laugh:

 

Lol.. Yes he was indeed

 

Well, I honestly couldn't care.. I'm not going to mess around disabling Optimus because my motherboard doesn't like the 8GB Crucial stick I have and will give me a load of problems and annoying beeps before I could fix it.. Anyways, I'm thinking of getting an external screen someday but yeah it's not a issue .. Anyways always been gaming at 60Hz and I do quite well anyways

 

All good...

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