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    i7 2630QM heat

    Discussion in 'Alienware 14 and M14x' started by fred2028, May 21, 2011.

  1. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    I just finished playing about 30 minutes' worth of CoD Black Ops and my maximum CPU temperature is in the mid 90s degrees C. This is definitely bad since Tj = 100. I have my laptop on a Zalman NC2000 cooler and AC in my room at 22 degrees C. How can I reduce the temperatures? It seems to be very difficult to get to the CPU (to apply Arctic Silver 5), is there a guide to get to it?
     
  2. Brozini

    Brozini Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well, it is not the answer you are looking for but after 45min of Mafia 2 one of the cores hits 97C. You are not alone :) Btw, I use CM U3...
     
  3. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Not a perfect solution but you might want to use the ThrottleStop Disable Turbo feature. The Core i7-2630QM usually runs at 2600 MHz when gaming so by doing this, it will slow you down to its default speed which is 2000 MHz. This can improve the core temperatures by 7C to 10C and help you avoid a thermal throttling situation.

    You can also set up two profiles in ThrottleStop and use the Alarm feature to automatically switch profiles based on core temperature. This way you can run full Turbo Boost up until about 90C and then have ThrottleStop automatically switch profiles to Disable Turbo Boost. Once the core temperature is back under 90C, it will switch back to the main profile and full Turbo Boost performance will resume. Send me a PM if you need some more info about setting this up.
     
  4. humjaba

    humjaba Notebook Consultant

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    Really, isn't that how Turbo is designed? It keeps the processor in turbo until it hits throttling temp and then backs down?

    I also hit mid 90's when playing BF:BC2 when the laptop is flat on my desk. On the cooler master notepal ergo, it gets up to low-mid 80's.
     
  5. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    Some people don't feel comfortable gaming with a core temperature hitting 95C or beyond. Using ThrottleStop to disable Turbo Boost before you reach this temperature might be useful to avoid this without sacrificing too much performance.
     
  6. Jetbo

    Jetbo Notebook Consultant

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    I just overclock it all the way, let it hit 95 that is what warranty is for. besides once intel releases those magical 10-15 tdp main stream quad cores and Ill just swap it out and be happy about what every temp it is.
     
  7. XenoSnake

    XenoSnake Notebook Enthusiast

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    And that's why I got the 3yr warranty. If it fries my mobo in the 3rd yr, i'll be happy cos then I'll get a replacement.
     
  8. Serephucus

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    Have a look in the BIOS. See if you can disable Hyperthreading. This will disable your four virtual cores, and leave you with the four physical ones (which is more than enough for games anyway), and should reduce your temperatures by at least 10°C.
     
  9. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    What are the temperatures of your M14x R1 under normal load? Post a screenshot of HWMonitor or post it as text. Here's mine.
     
  10. alienlover11

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    would you recommend this laptop for heavy gaming if i travel a lot? Do you think it will last me at least 2 years?
     
  11. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Heavy gaming, no. I'd go with an M17x or M18x and get 1 or 2 ATi 6970 in there. This laptop I think is good for gaming if you have AC and a laptop cooler whenever you game. Otherwise it's pretty portable and very nice, I love it. How long it lasts depends how you treat it.
     
  12. humjaba

    humjaba Notebook Consultant

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    Just surfing the net. Notice the high temps (achieved when playing BF:BC2)
    [​IMG]
     
  13. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Wow, 50 C Web browsing? I usually get high-50s to low 60s and mid-90s for gaming. Just received this machine too ...
     
  14. Jetbo

    Jetbo Notebook Consultant

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    You can't disable hyper threading but turning off turbo will save temps like someone mentioned it will get hot to overclock itself with turbo. But turning off turbo and underclocking base will save temps.
     
  15. FlipBack

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    That's odd...I wonder why we can't disable HT. I don't do anything that needs 8 threads...would be nice to be able to disable it.
     
  16. awchung

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    Is the speed difference noticeable if I turn off turbo?
     
  17. humjaba

    humjaba Notebook Consultant

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    Are you on a cooler of any kind? Try propping up the back of your laptop using a couple of empty CD cases or something. I did this before getting my cooler and it dropped peak temps by a noticeable amount. Disabling turbo will lower temps but is a stupid idea. Intel designed the chip with Turbo in mind - it's not going to cook itself.
    Currently, having surfed the net and watched some youtube videos since the last restart of coretemp:
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Jetbo

    Jetbo Notebook Consultant

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    Not for gaming at least maybe one or two frames a second max for gaming, something cpu intensive you may have a difference but i havent seen it
     
  19. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    I am on a Zalman NC2000 cooler and have an air conditioner running at like 23 C
     
  20. Silario

    Silario Notebook Enthusiast

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    Get a strong cooler. I'm hitting around 78 degrees max and I'm normally around 62 degrees and thats the temperature after I game for around 6 hours. No air con to help too. Normal room temp.
     
  21. jwolf7722

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    So you need a cooler and have air on to keep laptop cold. Is it just me or is this pathetic for a 1200+ dollar machine.
     
  22. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    Well the m15x is not the coldest machine out there mate ;), I had one and I can tell you that temps aren't that great... Perhaps better than this model but not that much...
     
  23. FlipBack

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    That much power in that small a package @ <7 lbs isn't going to be the coldest machine.
     
  24. humjaba

    humjaba Notebook Consultant

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    It's not necessary at all. Some people are just nervous nannies worried about temperatures. It's the same as those people who run virus scan, ccleaner and malwarebytes every weekend. Not necessary, but can be helpful. I got the cooler because I needed something to prop up my laptop, I needed the extra USB ports, and its lets the laptop stay in turbo mode longer.
     
  25. asgiov

    asgiov Notebook Guru

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    I just stressed tested mine...
    I used a combination of intelburntest and furmark and ran them at the same time.

    Hit 98 degrees on the 2nd core.. That's the highest.

    And it does throttle back when it hits that high. I would see the speed drop from 2500 to 700 mhz. It would go back and forth for seconds at a time to keep the temps from hitting 100.

    It only gets this high when pushing the CPU and gpu very high. Gpu temp definitely effects CPU temp.

    When I ran intelburntest by itself, I hit only 79 celcius.
     
  26. shak541

    shak541 Notebook Consultant

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    hey guys.. i also noticed high temps like this with my m14x.. jsut made a new thread about it too on the m14x subforum.. ig many of us have this issue :S .. it worries me :S
     
  27. smokingjam

    smokingjam Notebook Evangelist

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    i was on a game the other night for over an hour maybe touching 2 hours using cooler master 3 max temps was around 60ish
     
  28. Herc130

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    I saw the mod to take out the optical drive and put a second HDD in it's spot. Has anyone tried taking out the optical drive and installing a cooler in its spot? I have only ordered my M14X yesterday and no idea how it is configured yet and what is in the way, but I do have some blocks of copper and access to a manual milling machine.
     
  29. shak541

    shak541 Notebook Consultant

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    @smokingjam.... is that your gpu temp? or cpu? dont see how the cpu temp could be that low...also @Herc130.. that idea seems pretty cool... ig see what temps your new m14x runs at.. mines about 1 month old has no dust or anything.. :S
     
  30. Herc130

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    Well here is the stock cooling solution

    [​IMG]


    Looks like the CPU and GPU blocks are aluminum. Gonna guess the block closest to the ram slots (upper right corner) is the CPU and the one closest to the fan is the GPU. From other pics, the fan cannot be upgraded...in size, although maybe a quiter one can be made although there isn't really any such aftermarket fans.

    I will start by just milling copper blocks as big as will fit to replace the stock aluminum blocks and using the stock heatpipes and fin vent. Then see about adding another heatpipe connected to a copper heatsink/fan that will take the spot of the optical drive. 90c is crazy and you shouldn't have to require a cooling pad to use this laptop for anything other then web browsing. The optical drive is not really needed especially since their cooling solution sucks. Alienware really should have made a better effort here.
     
  31. Harshdog

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    My CPU gets pretty hot too, GPU never goes over 70c though. You would think they could have at least added passive cooling fins to the CPU and vented out the back.
     
  32. smokingjam

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    on iwheat monitor(or whatever its called) i think it was cpu. cant remember now. coolermaster 3 seems to help a bit. plus im in UK we dont get good weather here! :(
     
  33. Herc130

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    I don't have much experience with slot fans, but looking at the pics

    [​IMG]

    This slot fan is open on the top, bottem and back. I would think you'd only have one exhaust so as to force it through the fins. Can you feel air from the fan coming up through the keyboard?
     
  34. Starzz92

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    Hey unclewebb, I've recently purchased a Lenovo IdeaPad Y570 with a Core i7-2630QM and it starts to throttle a lot, half of the time when I open Google Chrome it even throttles for a couple of seconds, while I play video games it happens sometimes as well, the clock is on 2590MHz and it drops severely low for a couple of seconds while the frames also go very low and then it goes back up to 2590MHz and it's all fine, but the most annoying thing is that when I get this lag in a game, the sound sounds weird and the game is going in slow motion for a couple of seconds and I'd love to use ThrottleStop to disable the turbo since I'm pretty sure the games I play don't need a lot from the CPU or GPU. I tried to contact you through the these forums but when I want to send a PM to you it says I don't have permission for you, so if you maybe have some time could you please respond to me how I can set up ThrottleStop to disable Turbo Boost when it's neccesary.

    Regards,
    Starzz
     
  35. ZXRaziel

    ZXRaziel Notebook Consultant

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    I believe that there must be a way to disable the hyperthreading , in the bios , has anyone managed to do this ?
     
  36. reyho

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    clearly none of you know what ur talking about with this throttling crap, just adds more bloatware, This is how you stop the overclocking and its very very very simple.

    Go into power options where you see the 3 power plans, High performance, recommended/balanced and power saver, click change plan settings on the plan you use for gaming which im guessing is High performance,

    then at bottom left click "Change advanced power settings" From there, scroll down and expand the Processor power management by clicking the + next to it, expand Maximum processor state, and set both these options to 99%, The processor cant turbo boost unless it hits 100% usage and thats the turbo boost disabled, no restart required.

    WARNING!!! MAKE SURE THE MINIMUM PROCESSOR STATE IS BELOW THE MAXIMUM OR THIS SOLUTION WONT WORK!!!!!!

    this is to all the people looking for the solution, well there it is, edit:: also this knocks off around 20'C from each core of the processor. the hyperthreading does not cause any heat so not need to disable. you only need to disable the turbo boost to stop it overclocking itself. and this shows you how.
     
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  37. bigtonyman

    bigtonyman Desktop Powa!!!

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    Problem with that at least on my m17x is that it will automatically upclock to max speed if I start up some demanding such as most games or a CPU intensive application. Throttlestop isn't bloatware by far, its helped a lot of people out with many different issues and is very useful for monitoring temps and clock speeds as well as overclocking with the XM series processors. ;)
     
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  38. Caladdon

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    If temps are an issue there are two steps that you must follow.

    1. Raise the rear of the machine from the surface using a small object.
    By doing this you ensure the fan has more available air under the machine to cool the internals.
    This also helps with the position of typing.

    2. Disable Turbo Boost in the bios settings.
    This will cool the machine significantly.
    I would then place Nvidia physix on the GPU in the Nvidia Control Panel.

    You could on extreme conditions cut away the rear coverings and slice away the mesh under the fan on the bottom of the M14x.
    Again though these are extreme and I don't take responsibility for your actions.
     
  39. reyho

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    the only reason i could see your processer still turbo boosting itself after my fix is that there is a Alienware software that is taking priority over the windows power settings. because on the intel chips they will only turbo boost if they hit 100% activity, limiting it to 99% will stop it from hitting the point it thinks it needs to turbo boost itself. no mater how much my i7 wants to turbo boost itself in battlefield 3 it cant because its never hitting 100%, only 99%. this is on a I7 2630QM aswell. but in a HP laptop. so yes if this fix dosnt stop urs from turbo boosting then some Alienware software is taking control over windows.