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    Throttling fix, easy and simple!!!

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by atridhr, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. atridhr

    atridhr Notebook Enthusiast

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    Like many of you, i to had this throttling problem that occurs after couple minutes of play.
    I read threads that describe how to fix this using RMClock and undervolting CPU, but i decided to try find some simpler and safer solution. I found this option that slows down processor before increasing fan speed. After i turned it off, i didnt experience any more performance drops.

    Heres where you can find it:
    -first go to Power options on control panel
    -select Change plan settings for High Performance
    -click Change advanced power settings
    -scroll down to Processor power management and expand
    -expand system cooling policy
    -change value to Passive like shown in picture:
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    Im not sure that this will work for anyone, or that i had real throttling problem, but this really helped me. Before i could play up to 20-30 min maximum before my laptop performance started to drop and games started lagging. I tested this solution on dirt2 for 2 days and so far i didnt experience any performance drop, yay :)

    You can see my specs in my signature.
    Good luck.
     
  2. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    Atridhr, I understood that the System Cooling Policy works in the inverse that you're implying. Passive will slow the CPU before spinning up the fan, thus saving power, while Active would spin the fan instead of cooling the CPU, thus maintaining performance.
    That would mean that Passive would encourage throttling instead of stopping it.

    However, if your plan works, I could not give you enough rep.
    I'll give it a test run tonight.
     
  3. atridhr

    atridhr Notebook Enthusiast

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    your correct TehSuigi, at least it should be like that.
    ill test again tonight, and i would like to see your results to.
    cheers
     
  4. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    Sounds good to me too.
    Hopefully, this solution will work. By the way, it's on Windows 7 or Windows Vista?

    @Tehsuigi,
    If this solution works flawlessly, I think we can stop the "Throttle Solutions Thread" already. LOL. Like those RMClock stuffs and so on.
     
  5. atridhr

    atridhr Notebook Enthusiast

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    its on windows 7, i didnt try it on vista.
    ps.
    i just played over 1h dirt2 and didnt experience performance drop, before this i could play max 30min.

    Best we wait for others test and results before any conclusion.
     
  6. TehSuigi

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    Test results were inconclusive. I set my T8300 back to stock voltages, and used ORTHOS to stress the CPU to its limits.
    On Active, the CPU made it up to 61 degrees Celsius before throttling kicked in - an improvement over the usual 58.5 trip point.
    On Passive, the throttle tripped at 59.4 degrees Celsius.

    So at least on my system, this didn't do a darn thing.
    Undervolting is (at least for me) still the best option.

    Good try though, atridhr. Rep points for contributing regardless.
     
  7. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    Hey, Tehsuigi. With this method and undervolting method. I think the throttle might be fixed.
    As we all know throttle will kicks in about 58C. So now, with this method, it push the throttle point to 61C.
    With undervolt, it makes the CPU won't touch 61C(58C is easy to touch) hopefully, then, everything will be fine already. Because usually, most AS6920G users' CPUs still hit 58C with undervolt. Now! 61C, I think it's workable.
    I might apply this to my Laptop as well even though my Throttle already fixed. LOL.
     
  8. TehSuigi

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    Don't think my CPU hasn't hit 58 even with the underclock.
    It's still a whatever-works-for-you scenario.
     
  9. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    I would say Acer sucks. LOL.
    Even the same Models having same Throttle problems but need to use different methods/solutions to fix the problem. :(
     
  10. atridhr

    atridhr Notebook Enthusiast

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    Maybe mine throttling problem was different, cuz my cpu temperature is usualy 35C even while im playing hard (or Hardware monitor doesnt get it right).

    Can anyone else test this solution, just to be sure. Maybe testing with games that caused throttling will give diff results.
     
  11. weinter

    weinter /dev/null

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    No, you have to make note the diffferent models of Acer.
    6920 uses Crestline
    6930 uses Cantiga
     
  12. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    Try Left 4 Dead, it's the fastest way for me to test Throttle last time.
    While Tehsuigi's using Orthos CPU Stress.
     
  13. Abraxis

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    I have an Acer 8920G with Vista 32-Bit Ultimate and do not have this option in the Energysettings -.-

    Its just Minimum Power State and Maximum Powerstate, nothing inbetween.
     
  14. Sarge69

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    What if we do this the other way around?
    For example making plugged in active, so the fan speed is increased to help keep the laptop cool while keeping its performance. (Please tell me if I understood this wrong)
    Would this be better for it?
     
  15. TehSuigi

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    Active's the default for AC wall power, and it's still throttling for me. :S
     
  16. shakennstirred

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    wouldn't setting the minimum processor state to a higher % stop it throttling back so far?
     
  17. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    For the CPU this only should control the speedstep. This means the fan's ACPI kicks in but the CPU doesn't slow down to cool off..........
     
  18. shakennstirred

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    speedstep is intels name for throttling
    and Cool'n'Quiet is AMD`s name for it
     
  19. Sarge69

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    So we should set Plugged in Setting to active so it doesn't throttle?
     
  20. TehSuigi

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    Sarge, I said in my post that the Plugged in setting is already Active. Thus, if you're throttling right now, switching it won't help.
    Undervolting is still the first/best thing you should do to minimize the occurrence of throttling.

    @shaken: You're mistaken. SpeedStep lets your CPU drop to a lower performance state and voltage when it's not needed or on battery power, and is perfectly normal and even recommended. The throttling we're talking about involves the CPU's thermal trip activating prematurely and forcing the CPU to a lower speed when it shouldn't be.
     
  21. Big Col

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    Anyone got these settings to work on Vista?
     
  22. TehSuigi

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    The system cooling state setting is available only in Windows 7.
    And besides, the results about it fixing things are inconclusive at best.
     
  23. vKrazy

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    So basically the best way to cool your system is undervolting, and so far there is no definite fix for disabling the thermal tripping? For the acer 6920g of course...
     
  24. TehSuigi

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    Yes and yes, with the additional fact that undervolting is usually enough to stop the throttling.
     
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    So far so good, I've been able to run Dragon Age over one hour with one one case of throttling, and all I did was enable/disable it again in RMclock, and it worked fine... thank god for this forum!
     
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    We're glad to be here for ya, vKrazy. :)
     
  27. mothmanex

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    Hello everyone, first of all, I want to thanks to all the guys that posted solutions for this. Right now I will test this on my acer 6920G ([email protected] GHz). Also, I wanted to say that I've got the same temperature speeds as atridhr and I have a multiplier of 12x as the highest one. Right now I will test it with borderlands, and I will post here my results.

    UPDATE : It works, I applied the undervolting plus the passive thing, and it woprks amazing, I usually get the throttling in the first couple of minutes, now I played 30 minutes, at higher quality, and it didn't throttle.
     
  28. TehSuigi

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    Mothmanex, glad we could be of help.
    Check the recent pages of the Definitive Guide thread (should be near the top in the forum) for another utility that you might find useful, ThrottleStop.
     
  29. mothmanex

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    Thanks, I will. I undervolted it a little more, and worked amazing. I'm really happy that all of you found this solution, since I have two of this laptops, lol.
     
  30. atridhr

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    Hmm, looks like something strange happened to my laptop after i changed system cooling policy.
    I tough that this option stopped throttling, but now im not so sure.
    After experimenting with this my CPU temperature monitoring sensors are not working as expected. For example CPU hardware monitor now shows 4C for both cores, and room temperature is around 20C.
    I also checked this values with SpeedFan and it shows 9C for both cores. Other temperatures are ok and same in both programs.
    CPU temperature wont change even if i play games couple hours.

    I returned system cooling policy as it was and nothing changed. Malfunctioning CPU temperature sensors are probably reason im not experiencing CPU throttling any more.
     
  31. TehSuigi

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    That ain't good, even if it does stop the throttling.
    It means your fan can't adapt to situations like it should.
     
  32. atridhr

    atridhr Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes thats true... still, i can hear my fan speeding up after intensive cpu usage.
    Do you have any suggestions?
     
  33. TehSuigi

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    Well as long as it speeds up, it's not so bad.
    I've got no suggestions otherwise.
     
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    throttlestop is the best fix so far and it works great
     
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    Thx anyway.
    Ill post if something changes.
     
  36. TehSuigi

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    Closing thread - please continue discussion in the Definitive Guide topic that's been stickied.