Acer Predator Triton 700

Acer Predator Triton 700
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-H....214760.0.html


"Acer's brand-new Triton 700 gaming laptops promise maximum performance in slim cases. The highlight is the mechanical keyboard in the 19 mm slim 15.6-inch casing. Interesting: Acer does not specify the exact GPU and only talks about "Nvidia GeForce GTX GPUs". "

 

Linus says the laptop software is showing GTX 1080.

 

However it says "apparently" a 1080. Note how they say their own testing has shown as core of 17k, and also that the laptop performs 40% better than a 1070. A 1080 laptop at most performs 15-20% better than a 1070 so this definitely is some voodoo magic and likely a 1080ti or god forbid a "titan" for a laptop

 

some real innovation here. i wonder what the cpu is ? commodity 7700HQ or a desktop 7700K ?

 

may be an i7-7820hk

 

Actually, it's a lower power 1080 "M", called the "1080 Max-Q".

I doubt it will perform at the performance of a full desktop 1080, or even the best full 1080 laptop GPU, but perhaps it's a good "fit" for slim laptops that want a 1080, but can't actually cool it.

What I want to know is if the "1080 Max-Q" outperforms the Razer Book Pro "1080" which performs like a 1070 due to it's 250w power supply (among other things).

Does anyone know what the PSU for the Acer Triton 700 is being shown with? And, what PSU wattage it ships with?

Hopefully at least a 330w like the other full performance 1080 laptops.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57315...ks-unreleased-nvidia-graphics-card/index.html

 

If this is true then there is a chance we can see a 1080 TI Max Q version LOL!!!

 

Nvidia's "1080ti Max-Q" would perform like a current 1080.

The Nvidia "1080 / 1070 Max-Q" idea of putting out less performance but naming it "MAX-Q" and number labeling it 1 level higher than the performance it delivers is ludicrous.

Why not just ship Acer Triton's with a 1070 instead of a "Max-Q 1080", or a 1060 instead of a "Max-Q 1070"???

Spoiler

NVIDIA prepping more efficient GeForce GTX 1070/1080 Max-Q for ultra-thin gaming laptops
Posted on Friday, April 28 2017 by Thomas De Maesschalck

"According to the site, the Max-Q version of the GeForce GTX 1070 will have a TDP of around 90W, down from the 120W of the original version, whereas the TDP of the GeForce GTX 1080 Max-Q drops from 165W to an impressive 110W.

At the event, Acer revealed its Triton 700 will be capable of scoring 17000 points in the 3DMark 11 Performance test. This suggests the Max-Q version of the GTX 1080 will be only about 15 percent slower than the regular mode"
https://www.dvhardware.net/article66464.html

So Max-Q GPU's are confirmed to be 15% slower under the same number name, so what's the point? The lead up suggested they were new process GPU's with better efficiency, so why not let them perform at the same or *higher* performance?

What Nvidia "marketing genius" decided deceiving the customer by labeling "new GPU's" with a number name that suggests it's higher performance than it really is?

Nvidia, that is so evil, so much worse than a *5% higher* performance AMD GPU "re-numbering.

I thought Razer were a bunch of plonkers for trying to sell their RBP GTX 1080 "like it really was a GTX 1080", and then deliver a 1070 performing "1080" by using a 250w PSU.

Now Nvidia have jumped on the plonkers band-wagon and joined Razer in deceiving their customers.

Shame on Acer for having a hand in this too, $3000(!!!) for a 1070 performing laptop, when there are already plenty of *REAL* GTX 1070 / 1080 full performance laptops for well under $3000.

At least Acer got it out under $4000, so if you want a Razer "1080" laptop (that performs like a 1070), this Triton 700 would be a $1000 cheaper choice, so I guess that is "progress" of a kind.

 

This must be what Nvidia means by "Max-Q"

Max-Q means the "Maximum Quantity of Profit" that can be extracted from customers.

Spoiler: Details...

"Total economic profit is represented by the area of the rectangle PABC. The optimum quantity (Q) is the same as the optimum quantity in the first diagram."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization
Marginal revenue–marginal cost perspective

Profit maximization using the marginal approach
An equivalent perspective relies on the relationship that, for each unit sold, marginal profit (Mπ) equals marginal revenue (MR) minus marginal cost (MC). Then, if marginal revenue is greater than marginal cost at some level of output, marginal profit is positive and thus a greater quantity should be produced, and if marginal revenue is less than marginal cost, marginal profit is negative and a lesser quantity should be produced.

At the output level at which marginal revenue equals marginal cost, marginal profit is zero and this quantity is the one that maximizes profit. [1] Since total profit increases when marginal profit is positive and total profit decreases when marginal profit is negative, it must reach a maximum where marginal profit is zero—or where marginal cost equals marginal revenue—and where lower or higher output levels give lower profit levels.

In calculus terms, the correct intersection of MC and MR will occur when:

The intersection of MR and MC is shown in the next diagram as point A. If the industry is perfectly competitive (as is assumed in the diagram), the firm faces a demand curve (D) that is identical to its marginal revenue curve (MR), and this is a horizontal line at a price determined by industry supply and demand.

Average total costs are represented by curve ATC.

Total economic profit is represented by the area of the rectangle PABC. The optimum quantity (Q) is the same as the optimum quantity in the first diagram.

If the firm is operating in a non-competitive market, changes would have to be made to the diagrams. For example, the marginal revenue curve would have a negative gradient, due to the overall market demand curve. In a competitive environment, more complicated profit maximization solutions involve the use of game theory."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization

 

Also confused at why not just going with a 1070 instead of the "Max-Q" 1080 - is there something that actually benefits from having the latter over the former? Doesn't seem like much of a performance gap at all.

 

More money per pound in the pockets of the supply, vendor, and sales channel's

Max-Q =>> M*A*X* P*R*O*F*I*T*S*

 

It's harder to sell 1070 for $3K, but then again, that hasn't stopped Razer Blade Pro at $4K.

 

Actually, it is a decent idea, but they are marketing it wrong.

A GTX 1080 with a throttled TDP is better than an equivalently performing GTX 1070 in productivity software where clocks don't matter as much. What it has is 25% more pipelines and 20% more memory speed than the 1070. These should be sold in workstation laptops instead of the horrendously expensive Quadro scam chips.

TDLR
A GTX 1080 Max-Q should outperform a Quadro P5000 (slightly lower clocked GTX 1070) in productivity software (and cost 50% less)

 

Touchpad above the keyboard is pure bollocks.

 

i actually like the touchpad above the key area. i mostly use the mouse anyway. i wish more laptops use this approach to maximize cooling area and instead of throttling all over.

what i dont get the 1 inch bezels, why not make the laptop more space efficient and thicker if need be.

I would love xps 15 dimensions 15.6" laptop with a 1070/80 in it - even if it was in inch thick

 

Did they say anything about a 17'' triton?

 

https://www.techjuice.pk/acer-to-launch-predator-triton-700-gaming-notebook/

"The Predator Triton 700 gaming notebook at first will be available in North America in August starting at $2,999."

 

Performance shows that Triton 700 1080 Max-Q is only 1% faster than a stock 1070, that's really not a big improvement

Analysis: Acer Triton 700 with Nvidia GTX 1080 "Max-Q" GPU?
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Analysis-Acer-Triton-700-with-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Max-Q-GPU.214802.0.html

As I said before, they'd have been better off with a nice 1070 OC, but it looks like even a stock 1070 with a nice slightly above average performance run would beat a 1080 Max-Q.

 

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/acer+predator+triton+700+gaming+notebook?nbb=45c48c


Intel Core i7 Quad-Core Prozessor
GeForce GTX 1060
256 GB PCI-Express SSD
15" Full-HD IPS Display
2,60 kg
1.999,00 euros

 

Anyone have one of these yet?
Only thing I don’t like this over the Asus Zephyrus is the trackpad, but overall pretty nice.
If you guys can get this or the Asus for the same price which would you guys pick?

 

No, but I’ll tell you what they’re both eye catching. The Zephyrus is the cleaner looking. But the color on the Triton is very appealing.

But overall I’d say the Triton. Asus seems to have higher than normal QC issues than most companies with poor customer support. Plus the flap that open up on the Zephyrus may not be very durable. Would be terrible to have that break.

 

I've been following this laptop and didn't know until now that there are (2) versions available.

There's one with a 1080 Max-Q and another with a 1060.

I found that the 1060 version is available on Newegg, link below.

- https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...16215&cm_re=triton_700-_-34-316-215-_-Product

Based on the reviews I've read of the Triton 700, it appears the 1080 Max-Q version has poor thermal management.

What I'm wondering is how the 1060 version does with heat as the system does have (5) heat pipes and if perhaps the 1060 version is a better buy as it's cheaper than the 1080 Max Q and still (this isn't confirmed - if anyone knows, please chime in), has the 120HZ g-sync display.

 

I will be able to test this out early next week,I have one on order form Newegg and it should ship tomorrow.

 

The primary advantage of the Acer Predator Triton 700 (PT715-51-732Q) over the Asus Zephyrus (GX501VI-XS74) is its mechanical per-key RGB keyboard ...the Asus's keyboard is RGB, but not per-key. Also, it's not mechanical like the one on the Acer. I prefer the Acer's keyboard in every way. It also has a much nicer layout, too, as you get a full number pad.

The trackpad on the Triton 700 is OK, you have to reach over the keyboard. That can be tiring if you are doing it for a long time. The edges of the Acer's trackpad are hard to find, IMO, the markings are very faint. There are also no physical buttons, you must tap to click (two-finger tap to right-click). But I found it was fine overall. Again just the reaching over the keyboard is what was awkward.

Other things - the Zephyrus has only one memory slot + 8GB soldered for a maximum of 24GB. The Triton 700 has two accessible memory slots, max. 32GB. The Zephyrus is a bit smaller in physical size, but not by a significant margin. Note the 512GB SSD in the Triton 700 is a pair of 256GB drives striped in RAID 0.

The feature set is otherwise almost identical between the two notebooks. There is currently a $300 price difference in favor of the Zephyrus if you're looking at the GTX 1080 Max-Q models I mentioned in my first sentence. The Zephyrus has only half the memory (16GB) at its $2,699 price point, but otherwise measures up to the Triton 700 quite well. I think Acer is fishing with the price point of the Triton 700 (GTX 1080 Max-Q) to some degree, as I'm not sure if I'd spend that much extra for it basically for the nicer keyboard. But when you're already spending close to $3k, what's another few hundred? Might as well get the best.

Charles

 

If you look at the review at notebookcheck the zephyrus wins the most important discipline: better cooling at lower noise levels. Especially the noise characteristics of the triton metal fans seems problematic (high pitched whine).

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I didn't experience what I would call a high-pitched whine with the Triton 700. The noise signature wasn't all that different from the Zephyrus.

According to my testing, the Acer's CPU and GPU both ran cooler than they did in the Asus. Keep in mind there is some variance in units, paste job might be better in some than others, etc.

If you're willing to spend what is required to get a notebook like this, I don't think you're going to be significantly happier (or disappointed) with one over the other. They are very competitive.

Charles

 

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/NH.Q2KAA.001

Under the Tech specs it seems that it is indeed a 120hz G-Sync panel.

I’ve heard mixed reviews on the Triton 700. Dave Lee on youtube loves the device and his unit seems to not be running as hot as others have. Although the Triton seems like it would be easier to open up and repaste the CPU and GPU according a video Linus did. That and it would be easier to upgrade.

I spoke with an Acer rep today asking if opening the laptop and upgrading something like the RAM and SSD’s would void the warranty. I was told that it would’t so long as the laptop wasn’t damaged in the process. So that’s also encouraging. So long as there are no void if removed stickers like on the Zephyrus.

I’m half tempted to order a Triton 700 and be one of the first few to get one since there doesn’t seem to be a lot of info out there for potential buyers.

 

I have the Triton now one month. It was custom build with 4 TB SSD space and 32 GB RAM. To say it short: In my opinion it is the best Notebook ever. And within the last 20 years I had many Laptops and Notebooks.

One great feature: You can customize the fans! For office and light gaming I set bot fans to 700 ... with this setting, all temperatures will stay below 60 degree (even in games like Age of Mythology) and you will not hear the fans at all!

If I set the fans to 2.500 games like GTA V or Sniper IV are playable with high settings and everything is below 70 degree ...

It is even possible to set both fans to 0 ... if you use it for surfing or MS Office, the temperatures are around 60 degree ... amazing!

The keyboard is simply great. Better than the keyboard of the Macbook. It is mechanical but it is not that loud as it is on Notebooks like the Predator 21 ...

The sound is good, better than the sound on the Predator 17.

I would buy it again without thinking!

 

Can you take a few pictures of the software controlling the fans? Do you have complete control of the fans? Like for example if I wanted to change the fans to a static 50% while playing games?

 

Right now I am typing from my iPad but I will do!

No, not „complete“ control, but almost: You have ten steps from zero of to full speed. The slowest is zero, then around 400, 700, 1.200 and so on. The fastest speed is around 5.400 ... so on „custom“ you can fix the fans speed to this positions. The speed will only go higher when the temperature goes over 100 degree celsius. But even then only to the next step.

Most of the time (for normal desktop, typing, office, Internet) I have both fans at 700 and it works great. OK, after 90 minutes of Civ VI the temperatures were for CPU on 78 degree and GPU at 84 ... but it is amazing that it works so quiet.

If you set the fans to „automatic“ (like Notebookcheck did it in their review) they are a little bit to fast in my opinion ... they will keep the temperatures around 40 to 45 degree ...

 

Looking forward to that.

Well that's alot more control than most other manufactures. This is one major part about the Trition that I like over the Zephyrus. Being able to control how quiet your system is ((especially on the desktop is nice.))

 

OK, as you can see here, you can set the fans to zero:



And this is my normal "work" setting:



After 30 minutes of Photoshop LR:




And with this setting you cannot hear the Triton!

 

Oh, one small thing: As you can see on picture one and two, there is a "CoolBoost" switch. If you turn this on, the fans will spin up faster if the temperature is higher than 70 degree ... if this is "off" the fans will stay on you Setting until the temperatures are higher than 100 degree ...

 

That’s some nice software. It’s rare to see that in a laptop. Really nice to see it’s available on this laptop. More and more I’m liking the Acer Triton better than the Zephyrus.

How is the backlighting? Are all the functions illuminated? Not just the main numbers and letters? I’ve used laptops that don’t illuminate the secondary functions of a keyboard and it makes it hard to use in the dark.

 

No, only the main numbers and letters!

 

That always blows my mind when they do stuff like that. If you use backlighting then backlight everything. Oh well that’s not a deal breaker.

I also meant to ask you about your storage setup. You mentioned having 4TB? Which M.2 SSD’s are you using? 512GB wouldn’t be enough for me and I would be upgrading it myself if I make the final decision to pull the trigger.

 

2 x 2 TB Samsung Pro 960. Within the last month no problems at all with them!

 

The fastest MaxQ 1080! LOL

 

Anyone bought this laptop? Im looking to pick up the 1060 version, 1080 is wayy overpriced (4k usd where I live)

 

Anyone here have this laptop? I'm trying to swap out the panel on the 1060 version but I need the EDID dump from the 1080 version. I'm hoping someone can provide it for me.

 

Are you still looking? I'm going to get one from Costco online but won't be here for a few days.

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Yeah, I'm still being it. I moved the screen to a Whitebook GS63VR but I still need the EDID to override the current one. I'm not sure why this panel won't work in other laptops.

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Ok ill provide the info once I get it in the next few days.

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Ok, finally got it today and currently setting it up. How do I find the info you're asking?

Laptop is light and looks nice. As a Dolphins fan, love the color.

What I hate so far? Trackpad on top but sure does look cool to look at and wished it was a Steelseries keyboard like on MSI laptops.

Will provide benchmarks when I'm able to.

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Returned the 1080 after a few days of benchmarking. Performance doesn't equate to the price you're paying for it.

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Hello

I have a acer predator triton 700. I flashed the gpu bios because i can't install nvidia driver but now everything don t work =/ Only the intel HD 630 work


Someone can send the the bios plz. or recorvery my bios ?

Go in GPU-Z => Save the rom => and send me plz

Take about 15 sec to do it


Thx