Nuforce uDAC-2 Review

Hey guys, today I have a very special product review for you. I looked into this product as the answer to a few common questions I see on the forums.

"Should I get an external sound card"
"What is the best soundcard to get"
"What headphones should I get"

And other general questions that are similar.

So first before the review here is a little Q&A to get everybody on the same page.


What is the uDAC-2 ?

The uDAC-2 is a very small, ultra portable DAC & Headphone Amplifier in one. What is a DAC? It stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Its job is to take the digital signals produced by your computer when you play music and games and convert it to analog signals witch are what your speakers or headphones use to make sound.

A DAC alone can not do anything, it only makes a signal to be fed to an amplifier like your home theater systems line-in would have. So this unit also has a built-in headphone amplifier directly targeted for high quality listening with minimal distortion.

The uDAC-2 has enough power to handle headphones with up to 300ohms and only needs the power of a USB port so its easy to hook up and use.

In the back of the unit is a RCA and Coaxial output so you can connect the unit to past mentioned home amplifier system or any other device that accepts a line-in.


Why do I need a DAC ?

Well you do not need a DAC to hear sounds, your laptop has built in speakers and a headphone jack on it already. The proper question is why would you want a DAC. That is a very easy question to answer. QUALITY, if you seek quality sound out of your laptop a device like this is absolutely necessary.

While it is true in the last few years on-board sound cards for laptops have made huge leaps forward, they are still a far cry from the quality offered in even a budget level DAC. The difference in sound quality is truly night and day.

A few additional smaller reasons you may be interested in a DAC like the uDAC-2 is that it totally bypasses your soundcard, as it becomes a secondary soundcard to your system. It also bypasses your built-in headphone jack. So if you have a laptop with a broken or damaged headphone jack or sound card. Purchasing a DAC like this is probably cheaper that repairing the laptop and will give you the better quality to boot.

The other minor reason is since this becomes a secondary audio device for your system you can actually use it in conjunction with your onboard audio. Say play world of warcraft and have the game sounds on your laptop speakers, but then have Teamspeak or Ventrillo use the uDAC for voice communication so you can hear everybody clean & clear because the game sounds & music will not be mixed in.

Now onto the review!
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Nuforce uDAC-2 Impressions & Review

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What's in the box

The package is small and simple, inside the plastic casing is safely tucked away the uDAC-2 unit, a USB A-B cable (about 3ft long), and the product manual.







Build & Design

The Nuforce uDAC-2 is actually industry leading in build & design. Its very pleasing to the eye to look at because of its all aluminum construction, simple curves, and straight forward aesthetics.

Many DAC's are made very "rugged" they perform fine but dont look very pretty. So if looks do matter to you because you will have it on display in public you should be quite happy with what Nuforce has done when they designed this unit.

It does have a few different color choices so you can get one that you like best or that matches your setup/laptop. The matte black was a dead on match to my Asus G73 and I like matte black products in general as they are neutral colored and do not get finger prints like glossy products.

The uDAC really was the most appealing DAC on the market for me due to both its size and price. When your on the go with a laptop, space is very important. Having something small enough to fit in a pocket of your bag is a top priority. So I think the uDAC deserves top marks in terms of build quality and design its tough metal construction means its durable and will hold up to the test of time, and the small size & weight make it ideal for travel.

Here you can see the size in comparison to a common quarter.



Here is how small it is compared to my Logitech G7 mouse.





You would actually look at the uDAC and almost think that it was specifically made for use with laptops.

The only thing I may change is to get a shorter USB cable for mine, everything else is perfect.


Ports & Features

The uDAC-2 has 4 ports total.

Firstly is the USB Input - It's what will receive the digital signals from the computer device so that it can convert them to analog for one of its 3 output ports.

In terms of output you have 3 choices.

There is the 1/8" 3.5mm headphone jack in the front of the unit along with a volume knob. This is for using with your headphones or earbuds.

Next is the RCA output and Coaxial output choices located on the back of the unit. These would be used in more of a desktop type configuration where you have some speakers and an amp you want to use instead of headphones.





This is a good time to mention that there is an alternate model of the uDAC-2 available. It is called the uDAC-2 HP it has removed the coaxial and RCA outputs on the back of the unit and comes with a shorter USB cable.

This reduction in features means a reduction in price. Everything else on the unit and the quality is the same. I consider the uDAC-2 HP to be the perfect item tailored for the person who wants to leave it in there backpack with the laptop and a pair of high quality IEM's or Headphones.

I think the uDAC-2 model like I have here is for the person planning to use it for a desktop, or likes to use there laptop at a docking station where they have some type of speaker system like want to use.

Just wanted to get that out of the way and let you know about it. The uDAC-2 is MSRP $130 and the uDAC-2 HP is MSRP $99 respectivly so if you know for sure you do not need the extra outputs its a smart purchase decision.


Value for the price paid

Really good, I already had some higher-end headphones & IEM's so I was just wasting their value until I started to feed them a better source with the uDAC-2.

$130 may be kind of hard to take down, but its a long term investment. This device is going to be with you or many years, and when you can easily spend $50 on a meal that will be gone in 24 hours time the investment starts to look not so bad.

The $99.00 price tag on the HP model is a bit easier to manage if you do not need the RCA & Coax ports on the back. I know audio is an expensive hobby (as for almost any hobby electronics related as we all know as NBR members) when I visit the head-fi.org forums I love how they greet new members "Welcome to head-fi sorry for your wallet" Its true, when looking at other DACs on the market the uDAC actually ranks in incredibly low in cost and yet still has great performance so I think the value is outstanding.


Performance

I have put in so many hours of listening with the uDAC-2. Unfortunately unlike my computer reviews I cant post some benchmarks and bar graphs to clearly define the "performance" of the product. Its subjective based on what I heard.

But still anybody knows when something sounds good and bad.

I did my listening tests with a pair of Audio Technica A700 headphones, and a pair of Logitech Ultimate Ears Triple.Fi 10's.





The setup was using my G73 witch is a new very high end laptop onboard and built in headphone jack vs the uDAC-2 headphone out.

The player was Winamp with WASAPI or ASIO output plugins for bit-perfect playback and all the music files were FLAC loseless rips from CDs.

Let me start by saying, before I got the uDAC-2 I had no idea how poor the quality of the onboard audio was on my laptop. It sounded great to me and I knew I had some good headphones & IEM's already so I though I was all set. The first time I plugged in and used the uDAC-2 it probably had that grin on my face like the Grinch that stole Christmas has after stealing somebodies presents from under a tree.

I was simply amazed in the difference in quality. Separation of instruments was more defined, bass was much more refined and under control, much less "muddy". It was also nice to have that volume knob there to control volume rather than messing with the digital volume of a computer.

Using a digital volume actually degrades the quality of music BTW so always have it at 100% on your software when using a external device to play your music.

So some of the specific differences I heard.

Playing some Nightwish witch I categorize as "symphonic metal" it has pounding bass from drums and bass guitar while the instrumental part of a symphony plays, and then you hear Tarja's beautiful soprano voice putting it all together.

When using the onboard the clarity of all the instrumental tracks was not as defined. The smaller more obscure details of the music was lost.

In the bass tracks the onboard seems to have a bad habit in all the listening I did of making the bass muddy and over bearing. Im a bass fanitic I love bass but I quickly learned that the clear bass delivered from the uDAC-2 sounded better and was more like how the music was supposed to sound like. Dont get this confused with lack of bass on part of the uDAC it gave all the thump it was supposed too, it just did it right.

After a lot of Nightwish listening (I had to keep listening it was so nice on the uDAC I didnt want to turn it off) I wanted to try a very different test.

I jumped out of music and into movies. In particular I had one very specific scene I wanted to test. The T-Rex scene from the first Jurassic Park movie. I though of this test to hear the difference in bass because thats what I always think of in that scene is the low rumble and thump made every step the T-Rex takes.

The test actually became the most clearly defining moment for me when I said the clarity is so much better on the uDAC-2. In that scene its raining and rain has a very specific sound.

When going back and forth between the onboard and the uDAC and watching this scene many times. The rain sounded so different. If I were to describe it the onboard sounded like if you walked outside in the rain and then cupped your hands over your ears. That distortion to the sound and that "muffled" noise is what I heard only after listening to the uDAC-2 produce this clear and brilliant reproduction of rain.

It really did sound like just putting your hands on and off your ears in the rain. That is the quality difference between onboard and the uDAC. With the sound of the rain I was able to hear more clearly the difference as compared to music since music is so complex with so many sounds and things going on at once.

After the T-Rex had his lunch I dove back into music listening.

I wanted to try another super radical test to see if I can discover any differences outside of normal music. So I went with my Bass Mechanic tracks, the stuff that people like to play on there 15" subs in a car that has ultra low ultra loud bass that is extended for seconds at a time. You know the stuff that has big warnings on it that it may blow up your speakers

So did the dance between the onboard and uDAC thinking that here is where I wont hear much a difference and due to the "muddy" bass the onboard has been showing it may even sound better.

Actual listening tests were a very surprising shock. It still followed that same trend of clearity as before in the complicated music. In these bass tracks while the bass is all up front there is always some kind of minor instrumental/electronic stuff going on in the back.

On the uDAC you could hear those background sounds much more cleanly and it sounded more like some kind of music instead of a pure all out SPL test.

Likewise on the onboard it sounded like one big mess of bass, the bass drowned out all the other sounds and took away all the detail in the music.

Through and through listening to a lot of other music and bands, the theme stayed the same.


Conclusion

To sum things up... I will never at this point be plugging my headphones into the headphone jack on my laptop ever again. The uDAC-2 has earned a permanent home in my laptop bag along side my Triple.Fi 10's.

I loved how everthing sounded so much better, it didnt matter what kind of music it was, if it was a game, a movie. Everything was better and not just a bit, it was substantially better.

I now think that when people are asking "what headphones should I get for my laptop" they are missing something they really need. a DAC & AMP combo like this is really needed to extract the potential out of any high quality headphones or earphones and I think its a very smart idea that if you are going to get one you should plan to get the other.

 

Thanks for the review Vicious, you've done a great job. I'll most likely be purchasing one of these within the next couple of weeks, so it will be interesting to hear the difference.

Nice laptop BTW.

 

Before you consider buying uDac2, know that there are some issues with it (design fault?). Maybe more relevant to on lower-impendance headphones.

uDac 2 - High frequency noise is audible on "quiet" input

 

Yeah I think that is a ground loop fault or something, I did not have that problem.

Its a common issue in almost all computers and requires a special device like this to fix it - http://www.amazon.com/GROUND-LOOP-ISOLATOR-3-5-APPLICATIONS/dp/B001EAQTRI

But it is safe to say that its not a common problem when there are thousands of uDAC units on market and only a handful of people coming forward with problems.

 

More likely only a handful of people have sensitive enough headphones/ears to notice.
Nuforce itself admitted they could not fix this and this is not unit defect.

Btw, I bet this is not ground loop, since ground loop sounds vary greatly on different sources. This high frequency sound 100% same on every system I've tested it. It is something generated within uDac 2 itself.

Edit: have you noticed that one guy on this thread actually tested his uDac2 with battery power and got same noise? No ground loop would be there.

 

Probably an impedance mismatch - which means that owners of most balanced-armature IEM's might like to steer clear.

I know the Pico definitely does not suffer from that issue. However it is $300 more.

 

The Audinst HUD-MX1 is the way to go...

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Only $179.

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I know the MX1 is good an all but its just not the same thing. Its a small DAC for a medium price. the uDAC2 is like a micro dac for a small price.

I literally have just enough bag space for the uDAC-2 and it fits right into a bag pocket. I would not be ok with keeping the MX1 in my bag.

Now if it was a desktop situation that is different, but then I still have things I would prefer over the MX1 for a desktop use.

 

I'm sorry, but $130 vs $180 doesn't seem to be a big distinction when comparing their performance. With the MX1, you're getting a much better DAC and an amp that'll handle high-impedance headphones, as well as 24/96k, optical out, etc. That's more than worth the $50 difference.

Your size argument is more valid (though it's still pretty small). I just think the Audinst is the best DAC/amp under $200.

 

For notebook users the uDAC2 HP should suffice it carries a $99.00 price tag.
99 vs 180 is neary double, as well is it over triple the size.


It depends on your needs of course, like you said. Optical out, High Impedance Support.

Not everybody needs/wants that so it would be pointless to pay more for it if you dont need it.

If you want a DAC for your bag to pair with your laptop for headphones... thats what I wanted and what I got. No need for +300ohm or optical and stuff if I wont be using it.

That money I saved just got me a 2nd pair of headphones (some AD700's on the way)


It should be noted that some people prefer the uDAC-2's unique sound signature over way more expensive DAC's the reviews and impressions I have read, have people saying they prefer it over there $500+ DAC's and not until they got well over the $1000+ range did they have something that they liked better.

I also consider headphones over 300ohm to be pretty rare, the uDAC-2 again handles up to that point, but once you go past 300ohm your probably in some pretty expensive audiophile stuff and would not be looking at anything in the under $200 range to pair your headphones with.

I really did focus here on laptop users and laptop uses, thats why things like the optical out on the MX1 really is not an advantage as the crowd I am thinking of is backpacking with there gear not at base camp with all there speakers and gear about.

Its fair to say the MX1 is a good product, its fair to say its an alternative product, but its not really fair to call it a replacement for the uDAC-2 since it is indeed so different.

When I say replacement I mean one product is clearly better than the other, if you had two identical netbooks but one had bluetooth and the other did not and they cost the same, there is no reason to consider the lesser model. One is a direct replacement for the other.

However if one was a 12" model and the other a 10" model, suddenly its not a direct comparison anymore. You can recommend one as an alternative but not a replacement. No matter how much better one product may be than the other, there are people that will get one or the other based on there needs. In my case I would go for the 10" because I consider anything larger than 10" to not be a netbook anymore and figure if I am going to go bigger I may as well have a much more powerfull 15" laptop.

Others may very well go for the 12" because they find the screen easier to view and are ok with the portability compromise.

Thats how the uDAC-2 vs the MX-1 stands in my opinion, you may find it to be better but its different enough in all ways (price, size, features) that it cant be directly replacing the uDAC-2 as you have been trying to suggest, but it is a viable alternative based on a persons needs.

 

Unlikely since issue is present on HD595 and similar big Shure cans posted in that thread above (several more persons there now). IEMs just make noise most audible due to best isolation.

 

Actually no, it's not just that high isolation = hiss more noticeable.

But if it occurs with the HD595 - Huh. So just a crappy amp then

 

@Vicious
how would you say the udac-2 compares to the fiio e7??
and since its usb input isnt the sound limited to 16bit? i find the difference between 16 and 24but sound output very perceptible...
which is why i was considering opting for the fiio e7 as it accepts 3.5mm in as well as usb. Also the E7 has 2x3.5mm out which i could really use..

 

USB perfectly supports 24-bit audio transfer, as long as device capable of it.
uDac2 is true 24-bit USB 2.0 Audio device, that's why I've tried to use it.

 

aah had not seen the uDac-2's specs. The fiio E7 specs stated that Due to the USB spec restriction on digital audio format. This device only support up to 48kHz / 16bits USB decoding function.
so i presumed it was a USB restriction, but apparently not, will definitely have to look into this now..
thanks

btw any idea how it compares to the E7?

 

What they claim is not true. Or maybe they mean that their device is USB 1.0 only (there will be not enough bandwidth for 24 bit stereo in this case).

I would not recommend using 16-bit DAC. Windows since Vista adds own re-sampling and re-scaling, it works best with highest output res possible, less extra aliasing introduced.

But I would not (personally) recommend buying uDac2 either, at least at the moment when so many defective units seem to somehow float around.

 

WASAPI...Kernel Streaming...

Technical features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kernel streaming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I used WASAPI worked well for me.

I used Winamp, but it seems its more popular to use Foobar.

 

I still wan't all my sounds, not just the single source.
So no thanks, I'll settle with my present 24-bits

 

I think that puts you in the minority, everybody else is sometimes using those plugins for the only purpose of making sure no other sounds can interrupt the music.

Visa & 7 have a better way of handling music, as long as your digital volume is at 100% and no system sounds play that are at a different rate than your current music there is no resample.

But since the uDAC is a secondary sound device you can keep your onboard as the windows default and set the uDAC as the device for the WASAPI plugin. Music will play through uDAC and all system sounds can still play through the speakers on the laptop.

 

As I said, I don't want to constraint myself (make sure volume is at 100%? please) and doing strange setups like routing sound to diff devices. I want a good sound, I want without strings attached, and I want it all on my headphones.

I am very satisfied with my current sound quality, and uDac2 was a big disappointment. Maybe it was just a bad luck. Judging from recent feedback on this nuForce forum thread now however, it's far from just that. At least they gave me the full refund, including shipping which cost me half of actual unit price - that's decent of them, after admitting that problem is on their side and they could not solve it fast enough.

 

Eww. Who would buy this when the creative soundblaster x-fi notebook is so much cheaper, and they even have creative soundblaster software that improves the sound without even needing extra hardware????

 

Well, maybe somebody who don't want to hear "improved" sound, but the sound that music creator intended, you know

 

Your comparing apples to oranges. X-Fi notebook is not high quality sound its just a small step forward over onboard and it does not have the headphone amplifier needed to power a good set of cans.

The X-Fi is targeted for gaming not sound quality.

The G73 used for this comparison uses the X-Fi onboard chip and I have a X-Fi Extreme Music in my desktop that I also compared it against.

Even a full blown desktop card was not as good as the uDAC in quality, and the desktop version just absolutely obliterates the notebook version of it since its a real card and not just a glorified external onboard adapter.

 

Well, in that case I will dangle the Pico I linked to earlier in front of you. Add-on portable dedicated USB dacs / headamps (as opposed to bus-powered USB soundcards, pro and otherwise) are not really my thing and I now don't even bother to keep one in reserve, but I probably like the Headamp most out of all the SFF amps/USBDacs I've had.

 

I find this hard to believe. I've compared uDAC with desktop Audigy XiFi and this is clearly not the case. They both sound perfect, with crisp and defined sound, but uDAC is not magically better by any means. On 600Ohm cans uDAC will not be able to drive them to show their full potential (simply not enough wattage available from USB), that's where desktop card will be better, or you need USB DAC with external power supply.

uDAC is not high end anyway, it's a cheapest of all nuForce products. So no need to blow it out of proportions. DACPort for example is a lot more high quality USB DAC (which reflected in price).

 

Yeah uDAC is the low end of the totem pole, like I said its very clearly better than my laptops onboard but it was a close call compared to my desktop card (I even said it could be subjectional vs the desktop card, they sounded different but close in quality)

Maybe I pushed that point too hard because somebody was saying one of those external sound cards is a better idea and I strongly think otherwise.

The desktop X-Fi is a huge card with lots of components and its also pretty hot running, there is no magic way to convert that card into this little package that slips into a express card slot or plugs into your usb port.

I just wanted to make it very clear that the desktop x-fi and the external laptop x-fi card share nothing more than the name. The laptop version is almost all software not hardware.

 

Hey vic, your review's up on the nuforce site

btw i would still like your opinion on a comparison between the udac2 and the fiio e7 if you have one..

 

I dont have an e7 sorry. Best bet is to check a forum like head-fi and see if one of those guys has had both since there are a lot of collectors there.

Got my AD700's the other day really enjoying those. Have not tried them with the uDAC-2 yet only directly from my X-Fi on the desktop.

 

I used a Headroom Total Bithead, which is the same kinda job, a portable USB DAC and Headphone amp.


Whilst its only a 16bit, rather than 24bit device, it does have the option to power itself by both battery and USB (for portability, and more dependable power), an analogue input, a gain switch (low and high) to suit high and low impedence headphones, and try and avoid the hiss you mentioned on your uDAC with low impedence headphones [I use some relatively sensitive Goldrings and they pick up background hiss as well if I set gain to high, whereas my Senn HD280Pro don't pick this up and benefit from the high gain due to the higher impedence value], as well as offering crossfeed to try and simulate a more natural sound, and dual headphone outputs rather than a single output.

Unfortunately no phono options, but its another viable option, and you're right, a decent quality DAC definately holds its own against a dedicated soundcard, outmatching it in many cases providing the power it needs is there.

Sounds great for games, movies and music, although at $150 its a bit more expensive (worth watching for deals...think it was $99 with any set of headphones when I got mine)


The ONLY real downside, is that Win7 built in USB Audio Codec driver isn't as good as the updated version you could get for Vista, so you do occasionally notice slight background clicks/pops, but this can be noticed with any USB DAC using Windows' drivers under Win7.

Cost a bit getting imported but definately worth it

To the people wondering why we'd spend this much one one of these over an X-Fi...simple. Quality. A DAC might not EQ the sound to death, but it'll produce a clean, well produced version of the original. In other words it sounds good, even without the need for EQ, and they can feed more demanding equipment that will beat the socks off a weaker set with a cheap soundcard
Makes a hell of a difference over onboard, and providing necessary power is there, they usually sound quite a bit cleaner/fuller than the cheaper DACs on soundcards as well. This is why Asus et al were able to make such a big deal about better quality DAC and OP-Amps on some of thier soundcards, because simply put it makes a difference.

 

weren't you using A700's previously?? being a basshead why opt for the open design?

 

I almost got a bithead but since I had no need for the battery power I thought the uDAC was a better solution and easier on the budget like you suggested.

And call me a critic but for some reason I prefer a volume knob as to a volume wheel, just feels more authentic & "pro" to me

 

I like to have a tool for each job

I am a basshead to some extent but for say classical music I prefer the AD700 by a huge margin, also like last night doing our NBR Starcraft 2 game night, I prefer the AD700 because they are more comfortable and not sweaty for long periods of use.

If I want some bass heavy music the A700 are definitely better, but the AD700 still do great with the bass, just needs a bit more volume.

The soudstage is really the wow factor on the AD700 though, its so wide and so nice compared to the A700 that its like listening to totally different music.

When I really want the bass the headphones get unplugged and the Klipsch powered sub at my feet gets turned on no headphones can reproduce the rumble of the entire house .... But then again that is why I am getting a buttkicker gamer 2 unit here soon

 

The AD700 has practically no bass in terms of quantity as is the case of most open cans. The most balanced in the AD series is the AD2K which has just enough bass to satisfy me.

 

Im thinking Denon D2000 next, those are supposed to be super bassy.

Then I will have a well rounded assortment of headphones.

 

My D2K was too smooth for me. Almost no distinction between sounds.. and very muddy. Not sure if that's what you want since it's complete opposite to ATH sound. I couldn't stand it after a few minutes. I like everything crystal clear.

 

Another question, what exatly does "Whilst its only a 16bit, rather than 24bit device" intail?

 

Its a measure of sound quality. 24bit has 8bits more data. Thing of an image if you could save the same image as 16kb or 24kb witch one would be higher quality?

The one with the larger file size would be.

Music works the same way except its streaming that data rate rather than one still image.

 

The difference between 16k and 24k is noticeable. 24k - 32k is a much smaller jump, where you probably need a minimum quality of speaker/headphone to bring out the subtlety. Hopefully, USB3.0 will allow future USB DACs to output SACD quality.

I agree, D2000 doesn't sound like a great upgrade, I'd rather take the AD900 at that price. If you're looking for bass, try the Beyer DT880 or DT990, especially the 600 OHM versions.

 

What about the ATH M-50? too similar to my A700?

I just wanted to branch out of the AT brand a bit so I dont become bias. I read good things about the bass in the D2000 and right now I feel thats the only thing I lack is a bass heavy headphone.

 

Try Beyer DT770 600(closed) or DT 880 600ohm(semi open). I've been longing for a DT 880 600ohm Manufaktur for a while.

 

M50 is definitely bassy. I'd say it's a bit of the opposite of the AD700, and definitely superior to the A700. A good choice if you want to stay in the ~$100 range.

 

The M50 look cool too

I do like the $100ish range but willing to go higher for my next pair since I already have 2 pairs of the $100 range.

My research shows more people preferring the 250ohm DT770's to the 600ohm and it looks like its hard to find the 600ohm ones, looks like in 2005 they had some big design change because lots of people referring to the DT770s as pre 2005 or after 2005.

I am happy enough with the NuForce uDAC-2 that I decided to get a NuForce HDP for my desktop. If I am happy with the HDP I may scrap my big home theater receiver/amp and get a NuForce AMP later on and have a very small minimalist setup and free up some desk space. Though going all minimalist makes more sense for somebody with a small computer or a laptop docking station than a guy with 3x24" monitors and a 10' long desk.

The amp & DAC both are supposed to be stellar quality on the HDP and worth more than what the unit costs. So I can power the 600ohm DT770 if I find a pair and decide that is the best purchase.

Whats up with the DT770 Pro's? You would think pro means better/more expensive but it seems they are actually the cheaper version.

 

This'll help you:

[INFORMATION] Sonic Differences Between DT770-DT990 - Head-Fi.org Community

 

All this talk about mods on some of the other threads has me wanting to recable the A700's too see what kind of effect it would have.

And if I am in there doing that may as well do a removable cable mod and maybe microphone mod

I would think that any quality headhones in the 100+ range would already have a high quality cable on them, I guess thats not quite the case.

Or rather they probably do but a different kind of cable can have a strong effect on the sound signature.

 

DT 770 600ohm is completely different beast than its 250ohm brother(I heard this one isn't so good). It is probably one of the most accurate and bass-ful headphones I've listened to. You do need to properly amp these to bring out their full potentials. I'm not sure how much it costs now, but I believe it's in a similar price range as the D2K. It sounds overall better than the Denon and much more durable(Denon's are fragile. ) if that matters.

 

Pro is 'studio rough'. Premium has better furniture in effect, and I believe a longer earcup arm, although I could be wrong.

I wouldn't read too much into the 600 vs 250 - there are differences but both are actually fairly efficient for high-ohmage phones.

The only headphone cable that has an actually audible effect on the sound are cables which aren't made properly / have inferior materials and therefore has a slight semiconductor effect. That covers a disturbingly large number of those supposedly high-end techflexed chi-chi cables out there. Aside from that it's placebo. Been there, done that, hired several tens of thousands of dollars worth of test & measurement gear / the services a telco company to satisfy my curiosity.

 

Very nice writeup Vicious!

uDac-2 hiss issue is hit and miss. Mine has ZERO hiss back in the days I had it. Bunch of users claimed their uDac-2 has no hiss. Don't blame one product because it's the cheapest one.

And comparing bs X-Fi XpressCard to this? Because it offers "more"? More of crap? Please!

Unfortunately there are always people who don't know what they are missing, simply put!

I don't wanna use harsh words but I hate it when people instead of giving compliments they dump a review just because they don't know nothing.

 

Would like a comparison too, I can get a X-Fi for the third of a Udac-2 price!

 

I love my uDAC-2. No problems whatsoever using my AD700's