Best gaming mice? Roccat Kone [+] (6000 DPI!!!)

Best gaming mice? (6000 DPI!!!)

What do you think? worth the price? better then Mamba or G9x?
IT HAS 6000 DPI!!!

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ROCCAT Kone Plus Gaming Mouse Review - Introduction


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i guess 6000 DPI means it is better than the Mamba but the Mamba is made by Razer so its quite close in performance to the Roccat Kone. Mamba is wireless too.

 

Any more commans?

 

How accurate is the sensor on it? Mainly, when you lift the mouse and lower it vertically from the mousepad, does the pointer move in a specific direction constantly, or keep the same relative position (minus any incidental nudges on the horizontal plane).

IE, my RAT7 would always move towards the bottom right corner everytime I lifted and dropped it, and in FPS games when you lift the mouse a lot, this constant re-adjustment needed to compensate tends to make it extremely annoying, and this was not because the mouse was moving towards that corner. From what I gather, the sensor is on an angle on the side or corner, so it is much more sensitive to a dip in altitude, which would transmit to the mouse (by way of higher distance between sensor and target) that "hey, the mouse has moved"

Im at work currently, but I don't remember ever seeing the telltale red light under it, unlike my mx518. I dont know if this means its laser vs optical, or what, but if the sensor works identical to the mx518, then it is perfect.

Thanks

edit: sorry the mx518 is optical, but I need a laser mouse with the same kind of tracking (ie doesnt up when lifting it, as i need to hit 2600 dpi and an optical cannot do that).

Thanks

Edit again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZhFKOq8CM8 THIS EXACTLY, I've had the imp before the RAT, and i also ahve the mx518.

 

For FPS deathadder, MX518 or a Zowie ec2 are the best mice. Neither of them have really high dpi. I guess it would depend on what are you going to mostly be using the mouse for.

 

Protip: DPI != mouse quality. Accordingly, highest DPI != best mouse.

I'm not saying that this mouse is poor quality. It may be an excellent mouse, but you can't judge that solely based on DPI. If that were true, then the Razer Mamba, Imperator, Lachesis, and Naga would all be identical in terms of quality, and frankly, that's just not the case. The MX518 is not even 2,000 DPI, yet it's commonly regarded as one of the greatest gaming mice of all time. Same goes for the original 1,800 DPI Razer DeathAdder.

False; the Razer DeathAdder has a 3,500 DPI optical (not laser) sensor.

 

i Lol'ed at the OP and the guy below baseing mouse performance on a higher DPI.

 

When would you use 6k dpi though? I almost never use the full 5.6k on my Mamba.

Still, it seems neat. Let us know how you like it if you get it. I might get one too.

 

When I had Razer Mamba I used all the time 5600DPI on 1280x

 

Been using one for several months now, the bad? my first one was broke the middle mouse button didn't work.

The good, excellent mouse well weighted, its got lights that change colour

Seriously the customization options on this mouse are insane, its got 24 buttons as you have a shift key on the mouse thats changes what the buttons do, 5 different profiles depending on what your doing, plus lift off control and a scanner that scans the surface you have it on to get the most out of it.

Btw the picture from gadgety is wrong, thats just a kone not the + the plus has no lit up cat emblem.

 

dpi is a gimmick
le sigh

 

IMO the whole mouse feels cheap. Then again, I got that impression from all of Roccat's products.

 

Dpi is like the razor wars of the tech age. 6 blades anyone?

But I have a feeling only a few old geezers like me know what I'm talking about

 

6 blades w/ vibration

I compare it to the MegaPixel count on cameras most often as its almost the exact same scenario.

Nobody uses 1:1 with 6000dpi so they are just dumbing down the dpi with software pure and simple.

 

poor quality troll...

2/10

 

I don't think you understand what trolling is.

 

LOL! And an LED to navigate those dark, hidden areas more effectively as well!

Exactly right. More does not necessarily mean better. It just means you're throwing money at a product in which insane levels of MP's and DPI aren't going to make you take better pictures or pwn any harder.

I don't know how many times I say this, but know the gear you use to get the maximum amount performance from it. What the hell is the point of 6,000DPI if a gamer can't effectively use it? What's the point of 120,000 MP's if you're only going to be printing 8 x 10 photos?

 

TS is overly excited over the 6000dpi mouse ,
increasing the DPI doesn't mean you can own your enemies twice as many .

using the maximum DPI makes you feel uber?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28o5ZEo0

DPI aside, the Kone+ does look neat on paper. Wonder how much battery life those pulsing rainbow lights eat up though.

 

I just bought the regular Kone. Should be arriving in about a week. I've heard really good things about.

 

Ive always found the exact opposite, tried to move away from the razer crowd and found them quality good, own a Roccat Kave, Taito Mousemat and Kone+ and not had any issues apart from the first broken mouse.

 

Why does the battery life matter to you? The Roccat Kone + is a wired mouse ...

 

Cool, post it when you will get it

xD

 

So? better then Razer?

 

Unless anyone here has used both this and a comparable Razer mouse, it's not something you can just judge based on a spec sheet.

 

Unless the Roccat mouse has serious quality problems (eg, breaks easily/cheap build) it easily beats every Razer mouse on the market, then again Razer mouse is not hard to beat.

 

6000DPI sounds a lot. Surely good if you have three screens or more as one but for one full HD its way to much (my opinion). If you can and you know how to handle it then it's good but not otherwise.

regards,
Valentin N

 

DPI means pretty much nothing anymore. The reality is that just about nobody really uses more than 2000dpi - 4000dpi. What actually matters when it comes to mouse performance is the quality of the mouse sensor. And quality is not measured by DPI.

It is actually very similar to digital cameras. A 15-megapixel camera is not automatically better than a 10-megapixel camera. The 10MP camera could have an cleaner, clearer lens and a sensor that operates well in low-light conditions. The 10MP camera could have faster shot-to-shot times, better software, and better support. The 10MP camera would clearly be the superior camera, despite the fact that it has fewer MP than the 15MP model.

When it comes to mice, look at the quality of the sensor, and not the DPI it has. Once you hit around 4000dpi, any mouse you buy will have DPI ratings that are "good enough".

Hardcore mice nerds currently consider the Avago S9500 laser sensor to be the best sensor in mice, in terms of precision, reliability, tracking speed, and tolerate for imperfect mouse surfaces. High-end Logitech mice predominantly use that sensor (Logitech G500, G700, G9X), as well as a few other mice here and there from various vendors.

This is exactly what I am talking about. This issue, where the mouse cursor moves when you lift the mouse from the surface of the mousepad, is called the Z-Axis issue.

It happens because the sensor in the Cyborg RAT7 mouse is a piece of junk. It is the Philips Twin-Eye sensor, which is notorious for having this problem. It is also not tolerant of imperfect mouse surfaces, which pretty much requires that you always use a clean mouse pad.

Ask any hardcore mouse nerd, and they will tell you that Philips Twin-Eye sensor is a piece of junk for the reasons I stated above.

A Logitech MX518 (1800dpi, 125Hz polling rate, $35) would run circles around a Cyborg RAT7 (5600dpi, 1000Hz polling rate, $75), despite having superior specifications in every area. And the reason is because the Logitech MX518 uses a superior imaging sensor (Avago 3080) than the Cyborg RAT7 (Philips Twin-Eye).

 

nice and informative info. Thanks and +rep. The only thing I know is: higher dpi=higher sensitivity and nothing more. ^^

Could you make a list what's important when someone looks at mice?

Thanks

Regards,
Valentin N

 

I had a Kone+ and never went above 3000, anything more than that I think is just useless.

Ended up selling it because the mouse is HUGE and went back to the G9x.

On a sidenote, the Roccat Software is just lightyears ahead from Logitech or Razer.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad I could help.

1) Comfort. I would say, that by far, the most important thing about a mouse is comfort. If possible, go somewhere where you can actually touch the mouse before you buy it. If you care about things like adjustable weights, be sure your mouse has those features.

2) Performance. Things like imaging sensor, DPI, USB polling rates... make sure you have a mouse that performs the way you want.

3) Extra features. How important are things like lots of buttons, hyperscrolling wheels, macro recording, wireless capability, etc?

4) Price. Expect to spend around $40 - $50 on a high performance wired mouse. You can get better mice above that price, but you quickly hit the point of diminishing returns... so be sure that you know what you're spending that extra money on, before you spend it.

5) Software. You can read reviews abotu this - but a mouse with a good set of configuration tools is far better than a mouse with poor quality software (the Cyborg RAT7 had a terrible toolset).

6) Appearance. How important is it how your mouse looks? Do you want a flashy mouse with colored LEDs? Do you not care about that stuff?

 

I have heard nothing but good things about Roccat mice.

I would love to get my hands on one - only problem is, they are hard to find in the United States.

 

Kent.. have you tried with tigerdirect.com?

 

I've tried both the wired and wireless versions of the Roccat Pyra as well as the Kova and didn't like any of them. They were not comfortable to use for long periods of time. The Pyra wireless is weird because you can charge the mouse via USB, but you still need to have the receiver plugged in in order to use it. It doesn't work like the Logitech G700 where you can disconnect the receiver, plug in the cord, and use the mouse as normal while it charges.

If you want to give a Roccat product a chance, Performance-PCs is a US-based reseller.

 

Yes, definitely. None of the major US internet-based retailers (Amazon, NewEgg, Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, TigerDirect, etc) carry Roccat products.

The only way to get them in the United States is to buy them from small retailers that import them (and charge a markup price because of the import taxes). And after the import taxes, I migth as well buy from a company that already has strong distribution in the United States like Logitech or Razer.

 

email deviltech if they can send you it at [email protected] (even if they are from germany they send everywhere) They have it.

normally you add it when you config your computer there as a plus but give it a try you have nothing to lose.

Regards,
Valentin N

 

Why is it that people think that more DPI = a better mouse?

 

Look on the review

 

So? worth the price? or go for another mice?

 

Who actually goes up to 6000 dpi??? It must be like: *touch mouse. cursor flies all the way to India.

What sensitivity do pro gamers use?

 

Most pro gamers are low sensitivity gamers.

 

On paper it seems about as good as any other gaming mouse in that price range.

DPI != sensitivity.

 

Right now, I'm using an old mouse 3500DPI (MSI) on 800 x 600... most of the games FPS, more DPI, better control .... (I had Razer Mamba.. I know what is that when you use 5600DPI... great control)

 

3500DPI for 800x600. Better control... only if you can handle the sensitivity otherwise it's rather the opposite. I had one with 1200dpi or so on a 1024x780 and that was fast like hell. But I am happy to hear that you know how to handle the 5600DPI

Regards,
Valentin N

 

Yea^ I think I will buy it, and try

 

Can some one who has owned lots of mice or even used lots tell me what they have had and what they liked the best and why. Thanks heaps. Need to buy one not worried about price at all.

 

I've owned a Logitech G9, MX518, Microsoft Sidewinder, Razer DeathAdder, Orochi and Mamba, and used a Razer Lachesis. Out of all of them, I like my current Mamba the best, though the DeathAdder is the best in the under-$100 price range.

Mouse preference is obviously a personal and subjective thing, so my tastes may not be yours. But I like the DeathAdder and Mamba because they simply have the most comfortable shape I've ever had in a mouse. It contours to my hand perfectly, and when I'm using it I forget it's even there.

The Mamba is wireless, which is why it's my main mouse for now; it has the same shape as the DeathAdder, so they're on equal terms as far as physical comfort goes. They both have more than enough DPI (3,500 for the DA, 5,600 for the Mamba), and 1ms response, so performance is great.

 

AwesOme reply exactly what I was after. Thankyou so much. Would love to hear from someone who has used the Roccate Kone plus.

 

I've used:

Logitech G5

Great mouse, had it for years. Very smooth, nice shape for my finger-grip, and I like the adjustable weight system (I prefer heavier center-balanced mice).

Decent USB polling rate, decent DPI. The laser imaging sensor on this thing is pretty darned good, because it doesn't care if you are using it on imperfect mousing surfaces. Major drawback is the mouse scroll wheel... The mouse3 button is pretty bad, and often causes you to inadvertently also scroll the wheel as you depress it. Older models have only 1 thumb button, instead of 2.

Logitech G500

After trying out several other mice to replace my Logitech G5, I went with the Logitech G500 (successor to the Logitech G5).

Fixes everything about the Logitech G5 I didn't like. Increases USB polling rate to 1000Hz, upgraded to Avago S9500 sensor (considered by hardcore mouse nerds to be the best imaging sensor you can find in a mouse). Added hyperscrolling mouse wheel as a toggle option. Adjustable weight system means I can configure a heavy center-balanced mouse.

The fact that I got it for a great deal ($35 after rebates) is just icing on the cake. This is currently my desktop gaming rig mouse.

Logitech G700

If you want wireless mice, this is a great mouse. Excellent performance on both wired and wireless mode, excellent imaging sensor. Lots of configurable buttons, and rechargeable via USB cable (carries both power and charge).

The major drawback of the G700 is that wireless gaming mice drain battery power pretty hard. Expect 1-3 days of battery life on one full charge. If you are looking for a wireless gaming mouse, this is the one to get. But unless you need wireless gaming mouse, I'd stay away from wireless and get a wired one instead.

Logitech G9x

Had this for a bit. Great performance, great options on this. Performance will be on-par with a Logitech G500 or G700, because they all use the same Avago S9500 imaging sensor.

Did not keep this mouse, simply because of a personal preference on shape/size.

Logitech MX518

The bang-for-your-buck mouse. Decent specs, decent performance. No adjustable weight system on this mouse. The primary benefit is that it performs pretty well, and you can get it dirt cheap for a high-performance mouse (about $28).

If you are looking for a deal, this is the one to get.

Logitech Anywhere MX

The primary benefit of this mouse is the Darkfield imaging sensor. Basically, the Darkfield imaging sensor is a sensor that allows the mouse to work on any surface - including glass and polished stone surfaces. It works consistently, reliably, under any mousing surface conditions. Think of it like the Glock handgun of mouse sensors.

Otherwise, the features of this mouse are what you would expect out of non-gaming wireless mice. Allows you to run on wired mode to save battery (but doesn't recharge). Has side buttons, has non-gaming performance (125Hz USB polling rate, and about 1800dpi).

Decent non-gaming wireless mouse, but you end up paying quite a bit for the Darkfield imaging sensor. That feature is only worth it if you actually need a mouse that works reliably on imperfect mousing surfaces. Otherwise, save your money and get any other non-gaming wireless mouse.

Logitech Performance MX

Similar specs and performance as the Logitech Anywhere MX. Major differences are going to be the shape/size, and the rechargeable battery system. Between the Anywhere MX vs Performance MX, I prefer this mouse because of a personal preference on the shape/size.

It's a pretty good non-gaming wireless mouse. But again, you end up paying quite a bit for the Darkfield imaging sensor.

Razer Orochi

Razer's small / notebook-sized gaming mouse.

It's a decent mouse. Wired performance is going to be on-par with high end gaming mice (1000Hz USB polling rate, 4000dpi, good software). Wireless mode operates via Bluetooth, which is only suitable for non-gaming uses because of its poor performance (125Hz polling rate, 2000dpi, annoying 3-second sleep timer).

The teflon feet on the bottom of this mouse are very slick and smooth - but also are made of very soft material. That means you will want to operate on a mouse pad, to preserve the feet.

It is very expensive for what you get ($70 retail), and is absolutely not worth the money if you are looking for a mouse... wired or wireless, gaming or non-gaming. If you can somehow get a deal on this mouse (Woot was selling refurbished units for $35 a few weeks ago), then it is a decent mouse to get. Otherwise, pass.

This mouse is currently my mobile gaming mouse.

Razer DeathAdder

This mouse is the first mouse that Razer came out with, and has gone through a few revisions since then.

It is a very reliable mouse. Good performance, good bang-for-your-buck. It offers both right-handed and left-handed versions, so anyone who is left-handed and looking for a gaming mouse would not go wrong getting this one. I like the feel of the button-clicks on this guy.

I don't like the weight / feel of the DeathAdder - it feels too light for being a large mouse, and doesn't have adjustable weights. Decent performance on the mouse (1000Hz USB polling rate, 3500dpi, good software).

If you want a reliable mouse that carries the Razer brand name, this would be the one to get.

Razer Mamba

Razer's high-end wireless mouse.

Pretty good performance on this thing. You will not be able to fault the way this mouse feels or operates. Good mouse button click / feel, decent weight distribution.

There are a few things wrong with this mouse. First, is the large recharging base / wireless receiver. It is hard to carry around in a laptop bag, which makes this mouse suitable as a desktop mouse, and not a portable laptop mouse (kind of defeats the purpose of wireless, wouldn't you think?). Second, it is ungodly expensive ($130). You can find far better mice, both wired and wireless, for a lot less money. Third, it uses a Philips Twin-Eye imaging sensor, which is considered to be a lower-quality sensor than Avago branded sensors because of its slower tracking and tendency to suffer from something called the Z-axis problem. It also is picky if you try mousing on imperfect mousing surfaces, so it pretty much requires you to use a mousepad.

Woot had a deal on this mouse for around $80 a few weeks ago. Not a bad price of you have your eye set on this mouse, and want a Razer-branded product. But if you just care about the best performing mouse you can get for your money, I would pass.

Mad Catz Cyborg RAT7

I have a love-hate relationship with this mouse. It is by far the most comfortable mouse I have ever used (and that you would ever use) because of the reconfigurable shape. I like the feel of the mouse button clicks, and I like the "sniper" button on the side that automatically reduces mouse DPI as long as you have that button held down.

The drawbacks are what kill this mouse, though. First, it uses a Philips Twin-Eye sensor, which I think is poor when it comes to tracking speed, Z-axis, and requirement of a perfect mousing surface. Second, the software that comes with it is garbage. And third, it is a relatively expensive mouse ($80-$90) for what you get. You can get better mice for your money.

 

Fantastic respone thankyou so so much exaclty what I needed.

Regards,