Will there be a BIOS A07?

Was A06 the finale?

 

i dont know i would like to see fan tables to change the steps :'(

 

I certainly hope Dell is working on it because even with A06 my temps are high. I reached 90 C just running a system virus scan with BitDefender.

 

the problem is not the BIOS, is the thermal paste, they use a normal paste, and this type of notebooks need something more pro. Like IC diamond or liquid ultra ( this second only if you know how to do it)
i have good temps with IC diamond, but we can make better tables, for expample each fan have his own steps, but if you put both as the same speed, the CPU benefits a lot of this. this is due to the GPU didnt reach more than 68°C and his fan spin really slow, and is only 1 heatsink (gpu and cpu are conected)

 

I also hope they are working on a new bios. But I think DELL is more interested in the new models

 

The 90c you reach because the fans are hardly spinning at that moment. Using different thermalpaste would just make the fan run even lower because the temp is already good enough. The fan tables of this laptop are aiming for silent operation. To be honest I do not mind it. It makes the lifespan of the fans more long lasting.

 

You could also adjust the fan speed manually. Do you have a 240W adapter? If so, you could get A00 instead. A06 fixes throttling for 180W adapters.

 

Yes I do have a 240W adapter.

How do you manually adjust fan speed with A00 BIOS?

 

The fan speed can be controlled with HWInfo. BIOS A00 has a different fan table that could help out without doing that.

 

Alienware 17 R2 is broken. No matter what BIOS, temperature runs very high and I can never hear the fans spinning. They're loudest when flashing the BIOS lol

 

Yours must be broken, because I can assure you that both the A00, A02, A06 all spin the fans in my R2 adequately when gaming, if not too loud at times.

I've stuck with the A06 and it idles at 50'c and under load reached max of 88'c playing assetto corsa for the CPU and 66'c for my 980m for 1/2 and hour.

 

Porras, we want fan tables on BIOS. with my old AW m14X i can do it. i dont know why they always ignore the Users. is a mess
i don't need that they release a new Bios with his fan tables, i want to do mine !!!!!!
is just a simple thing, i don't know why they never hear us. Is my third alienware and they never solve a problem, i always need to search the solution by my own. I don't want to use HWinfo, i want to use alienware BIOS and change it

 

All brands have software to change the fan speed less alienware. (msi, aorus, gigabyte, clevo, etc...)

 

Software fan control where you can set the fan speed vs temperature on a curve is the solution to this.

I don't know why Alienware don't incorporate it into their Command Center. It is definitely something that they are behind on compared to other gaming laptop vendors.

The thing is they would make a lot of their own customers very happy by simply adding this and they would significantly reduce the amount of complaints they get due to BIOS updates/fan tables and over heating issues with warm keyboards.

If they offered a simple solution for everyone to set their own fan tables to their own comfort levels, be it heat or noise, then everyone would be happy.

It would be a win - win situation!

 

i think the same as you

 

Dellienware will never let you have axes to the fans. Dell is the last brand in everything now. They have their own agenda. Buy something else.

 

That would be great. But I doubt DELL change. The truth is that the new product line AW has problems such as:
1. Throttle CPU.
In my case, playing continuously BF4 clocks down to 2.8 GHz. It just keeps the maximum speed (3.8 GHz) seconds. If I want to run at a steady rate without fluctuations should lower clocks to 3.3 GHz. I have 240W adapter and the Bios A00. To solve this problem I have updated the Bios A00 - A06, use ThrottleStop the Undervolting, but the problem continues. The problem is the bad joke Bios and the limitations Intel has put all in the Cpu garbage BGA. I honestly do not think DELL is not aware of this problem, in this forum there are many who have that problem.I called the technical support but they say that's normal, the computer is running normally and no official information on that problem.

2. High temperatures (except for the A00 bios).
The temperature problem is most evident in the BIOS from A05. The A06 has tried to improve the table of the fans, but temperatures still remain high. It is true that using a thermal paste better helps a lot, but it is a temporary solution and not everyone wants to disassemble its AW to apply the thermal paste.

The proposal to use third party software to regulate the speed of the fans is good and appreciated but that the final customer has to make a living. It would be simpler to design their own application DELL for consumers we manage the speed as we come better. It's pure logic.

 

88 degrees on the CPU? You are crazy to think that is not a broken number. Your machine will not last long running at that high of a temperature. rule of thumb is never over 75 degrees Celsius, and you are WAY above that margin.

 

Its a tad on the high side but what you say isnt correct. Since the small die size and different solder methods etc they can run up to 95c reliably for a long time.

 

What with the thermal paste? Dried out before time. Of course after the warranty has expired . There is not everyone who fix a repast itself. Not nice to pay for this after the warranty has expired due to crippled hardware or a bad implemented paste job. Great with normal high temperature. LOL

 

88c under load is fairly normal temperature in a laptop....Doesnt have anything to do with therman paste and or crippled hardware. Lower temp means thicker and bigger laptops or higher fan noise. The current Alienwares have very low noise fan profiles which brings he temperature around 80c under load. The current fabrication process lets CPU's survive up to 95c. I would agree if it was a CPU made aroun d2007. More than 75c would kill the soldering and cause issues similar as the 8800 geforce gpu's failing.

 

Very true brother!

 

To put it into perspective.

Look at the attached file. This is while rendering for 30 minutes a complex 3d scene ment for product photos art. When running idle its hovering around the 65c with the fans not spinning at all.

This is perfectly normal behavious for a laptop this class, size and performance. It reached a max temp of 88c. Uses both the GPU and all CPU cores and rather fairly mild fan noise. There is a lot of complaining on this forum about these laptops but to be honest I feel a lot is unwarranted. This is real world usage, professional use and my bread and butter. I wouldn't use this laptop if it was crap.

 

I'd love to know your source on that. CPU Tjunction is different from solder

Maybe you wouldn't but I find it unacceptable to be this hot, especially given it is STILL a chunky computer. I don't know if Dell cheaped out on the fans or what, but that is WAY too high for an idle temp and stress temp. As far as CPU is concnered, the Macbooks use the same processors and they get hot the same way, except they are MUCH THINNER. What is Alienware's excuse with all that chunk?

 

The excuse is that the fans arent even running at idle mode. While the Macbooks are still blowing air even in idle mode. That is the difference. Most of the iitnernals are used in the Alienware for extra hardware by the way and heatsink. The Alienware has too cool much more heat producing hardware. So thi sis why it is bigger. I had a Gigabyte p34wv3 which was a bit thicker only compared to a Macbook pro retina 13inch and had the same hardware as an AW15. Now that laptop was compromised, not did it had poor build quality it ran very very very hot with fairly loud fan noise. While gaming it was throttling almost constant and was only stable with undervolting and repasting. The temps where the same as the AW15 while idle but with a much more fan noise.

Regarding the temps

80C Hot (100% Load)
75C Warm
70C Warm (Heavy Load)
60C Norm
50C Norm (Medium Load)
40C Norm
30C Cool (Idle)

This is what intel states regarding temperatures and a temp on desktop CPU's. Laptop CPU's run hotter but I couldnt find a source quickly. But I just run average 84c and max 88c on 100% full load on a laptop. There is nothing wrong with those temps.

Sourc http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

 

no only intel. even NVidia and AMD are doing it. in my amd r390x the fan start running after the temperature reach 60°.

 

I find it unacceptable to be this hot no matter what you say. What Intel says has a bearing in the life span of the processor but not the thermal grease. The temperature will rise as the thermal grease dries. This will happen faster and faster when hardware is hotter than what is necessary in laptops. This has been proven time and time again on several laptops with high hardware temperature(Higher hardware temperature is most common on low end systems). If Dellienware in addition also use a bad paste (as they normally always use ) then you can imagine yourself what the result will be after 2-3 years use with those temp. But as I said I don't want such temperatures in my machine. What others like or not, it is not me who decides.
You can begin to ask yourself; Is this is a problem or not. And you start to think on; Why so many laptop owners complaining about the high temperature. Everyone is not likewise screwed.

 

The reason wy many complain is that they hink of CPU architecture of a few years back. But since the fabcrication of CPU's has change and the chip die itself became smaller they became warmer because more work is done on a smaller space. This is a trend on desktop PC's also.

If my temps rise in 2 years time, I will just repaste it. But I doubt it will dry a lot. Till now I havent had any laptop or PC with dried out thermal paste ever.

 

If I use something other than Liquid Ultra on my OC'd Hotwell extreme so keep a good paste maybe 1 week during bench testing. But not with a decent Oc. High temperature kills thermal grease. I know... High temperature over time is not a good solution. Processor withstand rough but not the thermal grease. I can't run a decent Oc on my processor even with a very good standard paste. Has tested several of the best one but with the same miserable result... 88 degrees celsius with a maximum TDP of 47W is too high. I can run +95W Tdp with the same temperature as you on my MX [email protected] all 4 cores in my "old" Aw17.
If you read my previous post I said that the problem because of the heat normally comes after a while. Certainly after the warranty has expired . Many pc owners do not know what to do when the problem occurs. The solution to those who are not so clever is to allow a computer repair shop do the job. No good solution. Cost $$$. Many laptops must be completely dismantled to fix the paste. Therefore, keep the temperatures as low as possible. A good advice from me .

 

Matter of taste. High temperature or not, that is the question.
For me these temperatures are high .... and in a few years need technical support to replace any part of the hardware.
I compared my temperature with yours, I have the A06 bios - PSU 240w, Undervoltd, thermal paste IC Diamond.
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XTU stress CPU


wPrime210

 

The parts itself wont die out with the temps that I have, I did not apply any undervolting yet by the way. You got some nice temps though. The repasting did a lot for your rig i think.

Dont forget that the GPU was active as well when I was running Cinema 4D for rendering.

 

Jesus christ !!! your power limit throttling is insane O_O that is why you get 72°C

 

Since setting up my macro keys to have 1 = power 2 = balanced and 3 = powersaver, my idle temps on 3 is circa 38-40 'c

I have also undervolted and overclocked so running at 3.5mhz with a -50mv see a max of 81'c running Assetto Corsa. I also reverted back to A00 BIOS

 

How you set those modes to macro keys? Only by assiging exe file with appropriate command or there is other way to do this?

 

I have tuned the settings in XTU and now have a -80mv undervolt going stable withotu any overclocking. Keeps the turboboost 100% 3.4ghz which is the default. Temps are 77c while undervolted but the fans hardly spin at all.

 

I know and I'm not happy with replacement equipment. I have not had luck with this AW, but I can do nothing to avoid the problem that all limitations are blocked in the garbage Bios DELL.
As a temporary solution to the problem using ThrottleStop, Undervolt, new thermal grease. But tech support says the operation is normal ..... I'm not the only one with this problem but Dell does not care about their customers the important thing is to sell.

These results are before you apply IC Diamond:
1. Result without the use of ThrottleStop - Undervolt. Bios A00.


2. Results with ThrottleStop - Undervolt. Bios A06.


Without an BIOS that fixes this problem of limited power, I have few options more than sell my equipament.
We'll see if Dell releases a new Bios A07 but I do not solve my problem.

 

your problem is your undervolt, maybe too high for this chip. yesterday i calibrated my undervolt. For example, when i put -80Mv on my cpu the Power limit throttling appear, so i need to reduce it to -74mv and check with stress test if this happened again. No more throttling. So my advice, check your undervolt and reduce it to something like -40mv and check with a test, later you can try increasing it by 5 points each time.

 

I have never heart of the dynamic CPU voltage offset setting ever causing "power throttling" on my Alienware 18 R1 or my Alienware 17 R1 or R2. That is usually due to CPU core current limit or some other setting, not the dynamic voltage offset. The only thing to expect from too much of an undervolt is a freeze or black screen.

 

in this case is true. I can ensure you this. I tested it yesterday, i had the same problem as jack34 and i had to check my values, now i am very happy with no throttling at all
it happened because the processor need more voltage to stay stable at high clocks, but you reduced it, so the processor need to reduce the voltage to stay at (-80 mV) that is when you see thermal throttling.

i will upload you some pics to show you

 

Thank you very much for the advice. I have done the tests and the results are clear, some settings in the bios garbage this limits the power.The Power throttling limit is not the result of undervolt. I tried different settings stock from -20mV to -70mV (CPU Core Voltage Offset), also in the CPU Cache Offset Voltage from -20mV to 65mV, I went up to the Current Limit 256A (that is locked in the bios has no effect) .

As you can see in the following images:

1. Without any adjustment, all stock:



2. Applying a undervolt of -40 mV, the result is the same.


2.1Applying a undervolt of -45mV (CPU Core) / 25mV (CPU Cache), the result is the same.


3. Applying a undervolt of -70 mV (CPU Core) / 50mV (CPU Cache), the result changes little.


In conclusion, I suspect that in the bios there is a limitation to the power of the CPU, unfortunately I do not think I can be anything from software. To solve the problem would need a bios unblocked. However, I doubt that the next Bios A07 solve my problem because Dell knows but has no interest to correct the throttling limit.

As data to take into account, I have found that Intel Platform & Thermal Dynamic Framework prevents the CPU reach 58w. Before uninstalling this application never pass 47W but now I do (a few seconds).

 

try to go to device manager and update the drivers one by one, the last time i did it, windows found updates for the processor, intel management engine, ACPI something, etc. I can't remember but in the past i had the same problem as you, now i dont have it, just try it.

 

assigning .bat files created from notepad

go into Command prompt

type powercfg /L

this lists all of the power configs

Then create the bat file i.e

Balanced

Powercfg /s 381b4222-f694-41f0-9685-ff5bb260df2e

assign .bat file to a macro key

 

first time i find something useful to the macro keys, i never used it before.

 

Hi. Here is the mobile i7 CPU information guide: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/246907-how-mobile-i7-cpus-work-information-guide/

While I suspect you will find a nice amount of information in there, I'll summarize... your CPU is the problem. It will, no matter what BIOS you use, ever, under any circumstances, pass 47W under a long period of power draw. It is BY DESIGN by BGAtel, and the Skylake CPUs being clocked so low (3.4GHz on 4 cores is the FASTEST non-overclocked mobile skylake CPU there is... 3.7GHz was around since Sandy Bridge) is an attempt to avoid them hitting their limits while getting "full performance" even though their end performance hasn't improved (and compared to even a 4810MQ at stock, far less a 4910MQ or 4930MX, has actually decreased).

 

@D2 Ultima, their contributions always helpful. I read your post, not much can be said. It is clear that a solution to my problem there is not happy with garbage Intel.

 

i found a solution ... after a lot of testing lol try this my friend
use the balanced plan an put this:

 

this is going to reduce the wattage that your cpu use at the same speed, now i dont touch the 47W limit, so i dont have power limit throttling

 

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