*OFFICIAL* Alienware m15 R4 / m17 R4 Owner's Lounge

Hello!
Does anyone know the tgp of the 3070 in the 17.3" model ? Does anyone have this ?
I know that the tgp of the 3080 in the 17.3 is 150+15W however I could not find any info about the 3070. Is it 115W+15W like in laptops that are much cheaper than the AW or Dell is giving some extra tgp for the 3070 ?

 

From previous page http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r4-owners-lounge.835058/page-25#post-11080780

 

You can safely say that on any Alienware laptop, Dell will give you the best or close to the best performance compare to other manufacturer, on the release of the new product.
You can also safely say that afer a period of 6 months or so (when all the good reviews and benchmarks are done) that they will force you to update your system with new versions of bios/awcc that will cripple/castrate the performance of your system. This will help them saving money on expensive warranty repairs. Unfortunatly this has been true for a few years now.

But now they improved their stragegy by allowing the customer, on a volontary basic, to auto inflict themselves a Castrated system with the extra-ordiany (sarcastic) new feature called TCC offset. You have paid a lot of extra money for that 10980HK and dell knows that the thin system won't be able to run it. So here is the solution they found for now:
How Dell cripple performance explained by Notebookcheck.net

 

I just did the new bios up dates and my time spy graphic score went from 13400 to 12400

 

You have the 10980hk? Hoping there is less of a performance hit with the 10870H. Was about to pull the trigger as my r2 just isn't cutting it, but all this has me hesitant.

 

I have the 10870h

 

Hum....that's a big difference. I am not sure it's related to your bios update. Are you sure you have the exact same settings? Can you still move your GPU temps slider in AWCC and set it at 87C? 12400 is your stock graphic score and 13400 is your overclock graphic score i think. Maybe your overclock profil is not correctly set.

 

I have the 10870

turns out slot of it was gsync.

 

Good news. As i tought. It's too soon now for dell starting to cripple the system. As i said before, unsually after 6 monts or so.

 

pulled on the trigger on a m17 r4 3080 model with the 4k screen. Got $500 off so seemed like a good deal. Excited to see how this thing performs!!

 

Guys I’ll be grateful If M17 R4 RTX 3070 owner could share vbios I want to flash my M15

 

Optimus.

On those 4k/120Hz Razer machines you need a MUX switch and it must be in discrete mode for the 4k/120Hz to work.

 

I purchased the 4K 3080 model and I’m happy with my purchase. The image is stunning and more appealing to me than 1080p. I cannot game in 1080p anymore, my desktop monitors are 1440p and 4K. Assassins Creed Valhalla 50-55 fps at max settings, Cold War 85-90 FPS with slightly toned down settings and DLSS on performance. Overall, it’s a quality and premium machine.

 

Same.
I had a GE76 but the quality is MSI usual BS.
I had two and and they both started crashing randomly.

So, I returned and ordered the M17 R4 w/10980HK/4k/4TB/1yr accidental dmg.

Way too much money for a laptop but I wanted to give Alienware a chance to impress.

That said, I think I found the 4k panel Alienware is using:
https://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=47880

and I may attempt an upgrade to:
https://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN03.3_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_45254.html

 

The 4K screen is 60hz and absolutely not meant for gaming at all. The response time is ridiculously high. You also won't be able to swap the panel out as the iGPU will not support the screen. I have been going back and forth between so many laptops but if this does have a hardware mux AND you set it, this technically would work. I would expect that if it did though Dell would offer it as an option for even more money.

 

My second one came. QC is an issue. Small scratch on front panel. GPU is awesome though. CPU does not undervolt as well on this one about 40mv less. One user got 14k timespy right? See attached for my best score so far. 13.7k GPU

 

I got my M15 R4 yesterday with the 3080, 4k OLED, and i7-10870H. One thing to note is that the GPU definitely appears to be a 125W TDP as opposed to the widely reported 115W. The driver lists the MGP at 140W and I've seen 140W readings in the GPU Power sensor and 138W in the GPU 8-pin #1 input power sensor with HWInfo. That would seem to line up well with this spec:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/dell-rtx-3080-mobile.b8590

The CPU definitely runs hot while gaming (mid 90s with no TCC or undervolt). A 80mv undervolt seemed to work fine but 90mv resulted in a hang. Trying 85mv now but the 80mv undervolt didn't seem to do much for CPU temps with the games I tried unfortunately.

The display sure is pretty.

 

Had some time to play around with the M15 R4, specs in my sig. My stock Time Spy was 11365/8305 = 10769. This is my most recent run:

TCC: 15
CPU: -80mv
GPU: +100 core, +75 memory

About 15% less than some of the posted M17 numbers I've been seeing, which lines up with a 125w versus a 150w RTX 3080.

I know the TCC has gotten some ridicule around here, but I will say that this machine performs better with it on even with an undervolt. My guess is that the TCC has a better throttling curve than just letting things rip. My scores only went down with TCC at 0.

 

Congrats on the purchase. The CPUs are in major need of updating. I have the 10980hk in my m17 r4 and it is pulling way too much power. I have seen all the way up to 160 watts in an r23 run. That was with an undervolt too. We need the new 11th gen intel chip (probably too much power too) or really the 5000 ryzen would be better. I am loving the machine except for the screen. I would prefer a 1440p 240hz like on the blade or would LOVE a 120hz OLED like my LG TV.

 

Thanks, quite enjoying it. After many years of owning gaming laptops I had taken an extensive break. It's fun to play around with it again. Loving this screen.

Quite prophetic in light of this article published today
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...tage-over-the-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X.526424.0.html

 

It does not surprise me. Intel is asleep at the wheel and they have been for quite some time. I have the highest score in timespy for a 10980hk and 3080 in the world right now. I know it will not last long but fun to bench and game on the new rig. I have a 3090 and a 10900k in my main rig. I doubt 11900k will beat what I am pushing. 5.3ghz and dual-rank memory at 4500 cl17. My 3090 is a strix but only okay clocker.

 

What score was affected? Total, graphics or Cpu score? Would be nice if you posted links/(screenshot with 3DM Hw full monitoring) with and without TCC offset. Thanks

 

I can confirm that it (TCC offset) allows me to undervolt just a bit more. I will get to 14k no problem. This is second run without my cooling pad and plenty left to OC on the memory side. New world record Timespy:

See latest Timespy. Another record. Just off the 14k mark!

 

Just waiting on that 11th gen CPU before doing a purchase... come on Intel/AW!

 

I'm waiting for 11th gen too. I'm not really expecting huge leaps. But Rocket Lake is going to be a bit toasty if they put it into the 51m. M17 won't really be much cooler as we know the rules of physics. But at least I'd like to see what 11th gen offers before deciding what to do. TB4 and pci-e 4 will be bumps up, even if we aren't likely to see any huge performance gains.

 

Everything I've seen says the 11th gen will be slower than 10th gen.

Intel is making moves.
Backwards.

 

It's a shame that they don't give us a MUX switch in the M15 R4 with the OLED. Can definitely see the difference when benchmarking when you go around optimus.

I've currently pushed my overclock on the RTX 3080 to +210 on the core clock and +125 on the memory clock. It is a little shaky at this level but I seem to get a good run more often than not.

Best score so far using an external display through the display port to bypass the IGP

Same overclock, best score, running on the native display

 

11th gen mobile (10nm superfin) is better than 11th gen desktop (backported 14nm)

 

We hope. Only time will tell. 10th Gen is strong with the proper ram on the desktop side at least. We need better ram in laptops. That is the biggest bottleneck in my opinion. I get more frames on my desktop with memory tweaking than CPU overclocking now.

 

Definitely. My GS75 is still getting better framerates compared to 3070M laptops in cyberpunk 2077 because i have faster and more optimised ram

 

I’m getting impatient and will pull the trigger today. Think I’m leaning toward the M17 r4 due to better noise/thermals.

One question though, worth paying £100 for 360hz panel over the 144hz? I’m not even interested in high frame rates here, but I see the 360hz has slightly faster response times (5ms vs 7ms) but other than that, does anyone have more details about the panel quality? I’ll likely go with the one with the best QC/picture quality.

 

With specs like that it makes no sense to settle for 144hz, I'd definitely get the 360hz panel.

 

Fair enough, order placed. £3k with 3 year pro warranty, i7, rtx 3080, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 360hz screen with discount code. I know people say Alienware is expensive but truthfully the competition from Asus/Razer were pretty much the same price for usually same or less specs and some like the Strix/MSI were actually more expensive...

Worth contacting Dell to expedite the delivery?

 

Looks like the price has come down quite a bit from launch then and in my experience the pricing tends to be competitive. The complaints one could probably more easily find are more around QC and design decisions such as soldering/restrictions around RAM and WiFi, which I guess could be the other side of the competitive pricing. I would personally rather they charged more and resolved the concerns.

 

QC lottery is unfortunate, though I’m not sure if I got an Asus/Razer it would be much better - even the latest models have had some bad press recently for it. I guess that is the price of competitive pricing in general - heck even Apple’s QC isn’t what it was 10 years ago.

In U.K. at least, the repair/warranty process even with the occasionally issues, is second to none (I prefer it to even Apple’s), Razer/ASUS should something go wrong is much more of a pain. Hopefully the 3 year warranty with on site repair will at least cure my QC anxiety.

I’ve grown to be okay with soldered components now, have used many over the years and to date no issues with failing parts nor do I hear about them. Seems for most it’s the gpu which tends to fail, or something more catastrophic like a psu/mobo failure. Soldered RAM sticks, wireless cards or ssd’s seem to be quite resilient at least in the past 5 years.

 

Well, I hope you meant you've resigned to be OK with that. At any rate, Dell would be delighted to know you are OK - mission accomplished. Soldered RAM will be fine with many people, especially pure gamers. In contrast, I'm certain I won't be buying any of the current AW products. Additionally, I'd much rather order something else for next day delivery from Amazon, and return if not happy straight away, than wait weeks for delivery, then deal with the likely support hassle, or lengthy refund process. Order-time configurability is no longer a significant selling point for these products either.

 

I almost did buy a G15 from Amazon (as like you I like their fast delivery/returns process) actually last night as it came in stock, but at £2600 (more if I added extra warranty?), not sure the gpu performance nor the build quality merited that price? Was tempting to jump on the new AMD CPU’s for sure though. At the same time, don’t like the fact I’ve succumbed to purchasing 14nm parts...

 

Unless your a e sport player a 360 hz display is imo a complete waste. I would personally rather have the 144 hz and have switchable graphics for better battery life... assuming the 144hz gsync model lets you switch.

 

--ignore

 

Considering it is a 17” behemoth, this isn’t moving around to the couch/bed to be used and will just be used wired on a desk so really didn’t care for Optimus at all. I just hope it’s a better panel quality/qc wise , but who knows...

 

Anyone have a good rep I can contact these days? I don't have any of my old rep's contact information and the best they are willing to do is about $190 off. They used to work out several hundred dollar discounts. $300-400 was the sweet spot usually. This is the first time I haven't even been able to get $300, surprisingly.

EDIT: OK, ended up getting the build with an i7, 3080, 32GB, 2TB NVMe, 1 year accidental for $2,767.30 before tax. This was not an employee special or anything but the sales rep did this. Hopefully did OK on the price. I couldn't find any additional discounts.

 

Man, you bga haters really ruined this thread. Same old crowd same old crap.
Its not like you guys keep your laptops for 4 years anyway or swap out graphics cards at all.
Real actual owners wouldnt even post here they'd be so put off by all the nonsense.

For some reason the mods just let it go in these threads.....
I have questions about the quality of the 360hz screen too but no point asking because all i'll get is responses from trolls infesting this thread with non related bga hate.

 

I am happy to answer. That is the one that i have and i have many to compare it to. Verified owner too as you can see from my benchmarks above. I do not really care what anyone says, so far the AW m17 r4 is the best laptop with a 3080. I have the highest 3dmark timespy score with a 10980hk and 3080 in the world.

 

Hey that's great. Nice score.
Do you have the 360hz screen? Really wondering about the black levels.

 

I can test whatever you want. I am a little spoiled because my main TV is an LG OLED. This 360hz screen is not great compared to that. I would say better than my razer 15 advanced with 2080 but 7 out of 10 against my 10 out of 10 LG

 

Im not comparing it to my Oled tv either.
Notebookcheck hasn't posted a review yet of that screen yet so Black Levels, Contrast, etc are basically unknown unless someone has one

 

To be honest, I am very happy with the screen. I was playing titanfall 2 and getting 360hz in some cases. It is not perfect by any means as backlight bleed is there for sure, but it is bright, fast, and i would say above average as a whole. AW QC is not that great. I have some micro scratches on my unit, but to be honest i am extremely picky. There is also some discoloration on one of the black plastic pieces. I know this is not the original question, but i would want to know this info.

 

I have a couple of LG CX TV's as well. Nothing else I have owned (or seen) has ever remotely come close to them. Really spoils you

 

I think it is a B173HAN04 according to a thread in Reddit

 

We did it Alienware family!!! This is still without my cooling pad and just standard drivers.