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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware m15 R3 / m17 R3 Owner's Lounge

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by Game7a1, May 25, 2020.

  1. Natouche

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    Are there owners of the M17 R3 on this dedicated forum to give me a photo of the label of its power adapter please? :)

    And if possible tell me please where to order it in the "original DELL version" on a serious website?
    Dell apparently not finding the right model to send it to me, they asked me to buy it myself and they will refund me.
    If there is even a better quality model than the original Dell model, why not ...

    I've been waiting for more than a month for Dell to send me this AC adapter, but nothing ... and I can't use this computer ... :rolleyes:

    Thank you.
     
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    You already got what you need. The 240W Dell adapter as pict above is from Delta Electronics. Can't be better than this.

    FYI. Dell use at least two brand. Delta and Flextronics. The third is LITE-ON Technology.

    Edit. Compare with what said above about Delta http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...wer-supply-240w-or-330w.831328/#post-10974822
     
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    Can someone help understand why my system is power throttling?

    I have run TimeSpy and CPU constantly drops and starts again causing the FPS to drop significantly for a moment. When playing games like Call of Duty, the CPU clock speed also drops and tries working its way back up in increments of 100mhz. Very annoying as I even have tried with both 240w and 330w power supply. Below are my time spy results.

    https://ibb.co/bXWwmBj (TimeSpy Image)

    towards the bottom of the results page you will see (Purple line) my CPU speed dropping and rising again. it seems as though GPU momentarily drops too in line with the time that the CPU does. CPU temp never went above 75c so does not seem to be any thermal throttling.

    Yesterday I also recorded a log in HWInfo whilst playing 45 minutes on COD. I would be grateful if someone could decode this and give me a reason and potentially a solution as to why Power throttling exists. I have been given the recommendation to check the box in ThrottleStop where it mentions "Disable and Lock Turbo Ratio Limits". I have tried that but still no luck after setting my Power Limit Max to 145W.

    https://ufile.io/45gkp84i (HWInfo Log - CSV format)

    Appreciate any help anyone can provide!
     
  5. Sohail Mehmood

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    The response provided by Dell Alienware Technician

    "We have reviewed the logs and the performance of the system and we did not discover any issue with the performance or anything that would be unusual.

    On solo CPU stress test, CPU is performing more than well - CPU is keeping clock over 4 GHz with 100% load over all cores with matching temperatures, there are no unusual events with AC adapter or with charging.
    The power limit throttling part is in this instance completely normal and nothing unusual or incorrect since CPU itself is rated on 45 W and is through the test (current or previous sent to me) is even usually getting more.

    The balancing between CPU and GPU is automatic and it's trying to find perfect balance between powering both to boost the performance.


     
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    It is interesting, I have almost the exact same system, minus the display as I went with the 4k 60Hz screen, but mine was shipped with the 330W power adapter. Is the 4K OLED screen really that much more of a power hog to warrant 90 more watts of power consumption? I am not complaining at all, just curious as to why they would spec it would differently.

    (EDIT, I just realized you had the 2070- of course it uses more power. I could have sworn I read 2080 prior to posting..opps)

    Nothing to see here except I love this machine. There are things I liked better about my 17 r4, but its nice to have the extra bump in power.


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  7. cloudpower

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    What's the word on better panels for the Alienware m17 R3? Anything 1440p 120hz+ or 4K 120hz+ available or expected on the horizon? I just ordered my m17 R3 with the i9, 2080, and 32GB of RAM and while I hope the 4K 60hz looks close enough to the OLED panel on the 15 to tide me over, I hope also that there are other options to swap in eventually. Anyone know?
     
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    Hi,
    The m17 r3 uses the same vapor chamber cooler that is on the m15 r3 ?
    I'm confused because on the notebookcheck reviews of both the m17r3 and m15r3 It praises the new cooling system on the m15r3.... It says "much cooler CPU temperatures than last generation Alienware m15 R2." and "Dell directly addressed one of biggest issues on the m15 R2 with the m15 R3 by moving to a much stronger cooling solution and bringing core temperatures down by about 20 C when gaming."
    Now for the m17r3 it says for Pros "vapor chamber cooling" Then it says "Surface temperatures aren't all that different from the m17 R2 despite the processor and cooling changes." and adds "The m17 R3 isn't any quieter, cooler, longer-lasting, or lighter than the m17 R2 despite their identical chassis."

    Despite their identical chassis ? I'm really confused here. Did this guy take into consideration the fact that the m15r3 is equipped with an i7 and rtx 2070 and the m17r3 comes with an i9 and rtx 2080 ??
     
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  9. Sohail Mehmood

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    For anyone owning an M17 R3, 32GB RAM, 144hz, 2080 SUPER MAX P and 10875H CPU

    OPTIMUM SETTINGS FOR GAMING - THROTTLE STOP AND AWCC

    Throttlestop

    Speedshift - 0
    Speedstep - OFF
    BD Prochot - ON
    C1E - ON

    Core UV - 125mV
    Cache UV - 90.8mV

    Core/Cache Voltage - 1.0508V

    Cache Ratio - 8 Min, 47 Max

    Set ICC Max for both Core and Cache to 255.75 (MAX)

    Non Turbo Ratio - 23

    Turbo Ratio Limits
    1 Core - 51
    2 Core - 50
    3 Core - 49
    4 Core - 48
    5 Core - 47
    6 Core - 46
    7 Core - 45
    8 Core - 44

    TURBO BOOST LONG POWER MAX - 45W
    Turbo Time Limit - MAX
    TURBO BOOST SHORT POWER MAX - UNCHECK the box

    PP0 Current Limit - 200

    The reason for setting PL1 to 45W is because once the GPU is in full utilisation on this particular setup, the system will draw 150w max for the GPU to operate. Once this happens, you will notice the power limits being enforced on the CPU for which Dell originally set at 107W but you will notice during gaming it falls to 45W. When this happens, clock speeds go from around 4.2Ghz to 3.6GHz and struggles to get back to the 4.2GHz. By setting the 45W PL1 limit at the start, you can get the max out of the CPU given the constraint that will inevitably be applied once gaming.

    PP0 Current Limit at 200 because 150W + 45W = 195 so +5 for some headroom.

    I found the voltages to be pretty stable with no BSODs or game crashes. Struggled to go any further with cache UV as it started causing instability issues.

    My Clock Speeds are 4.2Ghz when playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare. I play on an external monitor (G SYNC,144Hz and 1440p). With all settings on the highest (exception of Raytracing), I can achieve a stable 120 FPS.


    WITH regards to the GPU, go into AWCC and:

    Do not change the thermal limit - you hopefully wont ever reach it, max ive reached is around 78c and this is under stress testing.
    Core Clock OC - 100Mhz
    Memory Clock OC - 300Mhz.

    The problem with this GPU overclock is that I believe there is room to push it more. Dell have been provided with the lowest spec Max P version of the 2080 Super.

    Dells version has a TGP of 150W, Base Clock of 1365 and Boost of 1560.

    I find that with my overclock I am able to get 1800 on Clock Speeds quite consistently. I noticed that once GPU clock speeds attempt to go over 2000, the game crashes. I noticed this during my testing of overclock with my UV settings applied. If anyone can find a better Overclock, let me know. The highest spec 2080 Super with 200W TGP can achieve 1560 Base and 1740 Boost. Thus my initial basis was to overclock with the difference (1560-1365 = 195).

    I hope this helps some of you guys. I previously owned a M17 R3 before returning it as I didn't believe the 10980HK processor was worth the money for gaming purposes. I am able to achieve the same clock speed on average with the 10875H processor.

    Fair enough Max turbo frequencies were higher on the i9 but you are never going to be pushing above 5Ghz consistently on these laptops. Also both are 8 cores and have 16 threads. One noticeable difference was that the Non Turbo Ratio could be set at 3.1Ghz on the 10980HK compared with 2.3Ghz max for 10875H.

    Last point regarding temps, 71c on average for GPU under load and 80-85c for CPU under load!
     
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  10. etern4l

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    "Under load" is meangless unless you specify the load exactly. CB20 is the gold standard for the CPU load, for example.
     
  11. Sohail Mehmood

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    So the Cinebench R20 test gives a score of 4272 cb.

    Seems to be on par with Ryzen 9 4900H
     
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    I prefer prime 95 v26.6 (non-AVX) small fft.
     
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    Nice, what were the max temps?
    Why? Arguably, CB20 incurs the highest load on the CPU of all the benchmarks.
     
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    Its just a preference.

    Oh and if you want the higest cpu load you can try out linpack extreme if you haven't tried it yet.
     
  15. etern4l

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    There are lots of various benchmarks, some are more relevant to people's use cases than Cinebench, but because of I guess the simple interface and the load it generates, it's the most popular one on Windows meaning pretty much all reviews and cross-comparisons refer to that particular benchmark. Sometimes you will see wPrime too, but with CB20 I also get a view into how well the cooling performs under extreme load (if temps are quoted).

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-10875H-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.458968.0.html
     
  16. trias10

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    I am considering purchasing the AW M17 R3 laptop, as there is now a 10875H 32GB version with 2080 Super, and this version did not exist a few months back, as you only had the 10750H or the 10980HK.

    Problem is, on the Dell USA site, you CANNOT get the 144Hz G-Sync screen with the 10875H version. It only comes with the 300Hz or the 4K panel.

    Here's the thing though: if you watch MobileTechReview's YT video review of this laptop, she says that people have been reporting that you CAN enable G-Sync on the 300Hz panel if you do a fresh reinstall of Windows and the latest Nvidia drivers.

    However, I can't seem to find any postings about this anywhere.

    So figured I would ask here if anyone has heard or read about this actually being possible somewhere? Is it actually true?
     
  17. Sohail Mehmood

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    71c on average for GPU under load and 80-85c for CPU. Not bad to be honest and definitely has some room to pump some more wattage to the CPU.
     
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    I was curious specifically about CB20, so GPU temp is of no concern. 85C in CB20 would be very good indeed.
     
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    Has anyone tested 240W vs 330W power brick? I noticed my replacement laptop with i7 10750H and rtx2070 Super only comes with 240W while other laptops like MSI GE75 come with 280W laptop. I'm trying to see if purchasing the 330W power brick would give me performance boost.
     
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    Just monitor power draw while plugged in. Does it exceed 240W? Do you lose battery charge while on AC power?
     
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    Enjoy Dell's implemented battery boost :) I knew for certain bro @Falkentyne said this tech is disgusting.
    upload_2020-10-31_2-15-31.png
    Yoo got the answer here :) Smaller power adapters is so damn cute. Larger adapters are not needed if the notebook has big enough batteries to fix the task.

    "We're able to record a maximum of 257.3 W from the large (~20 x 10 x 2.6 cm) 240 W AC adapter when running Prime95 and FurMark simultaneously. Note that the battery will drain very slowly when running such extreme loads on the system"
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...iew-Vapor-Chamber-Saves-The-Day.483238.0.html
     
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    Still the same BS. Lower spec models come with inadequate power supply (or do they ship the 2080 version with 240W too?), although 240W was fine for the m15 R1 with 2070 MQ.

    Hopefully the test above was done without undervolting, which should push peak power utilisation down by some 20-30W.

    Also, it seems that with the 257W they were measuring external power utilisation vs power draw. External is always larger. So I guess the brick I just powerful enough, provided no power hungry peripherals etc.

    Still, slow soldered RAM - no deal.
     
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    So I just got my replacement in the mail today and I must have gotten a bad chip because it won't go past -.05mV core/cache. Anything higher than that would hang up the system.
    CineBench 20 gives 3300 score with temps around 93C so that's decent I suppose.

    M17r3 with 10750H and rtx2070S.
     
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    I have the m15 R3 with 10750H and RTX 2080 super Max Q.

    Can anyone confirm if I can undervolt the 10750H ? If so which is best utility? Some things I have read said the 10750H is locked. I have latest BIOS 1.5.0
     
  25. Sohail Mehmood

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    Are we able to make modifications after purchasing? Would we be able to purchase directly from Dell at a discounted rate by giving the old screen back?
     
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    Hello.

    I just received my new M17 R3 that I exchanged because I had not received the power adapter in the previous one.
    But I have a question. I want to know if this sinking of the PC body is normal or is it a manufacturing defect?
    Do you have that in your M17 R3 what appears in the photo?
    20201104_160844_resized.jpg
    Thank you.
     
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    Sorry for posting here as an m15 r2 owner instead of r3, but I also know for a fact that while gaming Battery also gets drained on my laptop. I do have a 330 watt power brick laying around that I got to keep after I replaced my Area 51M with the m15 r2. Perhaps I should use that one instead of the included 240 watt one.

    On a side note though, for a "thin and lite" such as m15 m17, I find a power brick larger than the 240 watt one too inconvenient, way too large.
    Unless Alienware also comes up with GaN adapter (Gallium Nitride), such as the new 300 watt one of asus
     
  28. Natouche

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    Can you quickly give me the answer to know if it is normal or not on this model ?

    Thank you.

    Envoyé de mon SM-N960F en utilisant Tapatalk
     
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    Why not check the web for reviews/pictures?
    [​IMG]
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Good-...ce-RTX-2080-Super-Laptop-Review.490825.0.html
    Up to you. But a maxed out power adapter won't last forever. And can if it fails also kill the MB.
     
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    Thank you, indeed this sinking is normal.

    But I noticed another problem, one of the keys on my keyboard squeaks when I press it (the "?" Key on my AZERTY keyboard, see the video as an attachment).
    Can you tell me please if you have the same problem on your M17 R3? Those with a QWERTY keyboard can you check please if you have the same problem with the key in the same location on your keyboard?

    Thank you. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5fa445ea4357e/20201105_111414_1280x720.mp4

    Envoyé de mon SM-N960F en utilisant Tapatalk
     
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    This key on the keyboard for those who cannot see the video. [​IMG]

    Envoyé de mon SM-N960F en utilisant Tapatalk
     
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    Looking to purchase M17 R3 w/ 2070. Haggled a bit with the Dell rep today, the best he could give me was $50 off my 5% promo code (union membership from work). Tried to leverage saying I'm in a dilemma with waiting for Black Friday deals or purchasing this now ($400 off from Dell). Couldn't get him to budge for a higher discount, so the best he could do was $2220USD.

    I just don't know right now. Should I really wait for Black Friday for other deals, or get this now? The $400 discount ends November 16. If I miss it, I miss it and probably have to wait until next year for this model to be discounted.
     
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    FTFY
     
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    Have you checked Dell Outlets? I have seen a couple M17R3 rtx2070S/10750H/144hz for $1500, they're the best bang for the buck since you can just buy extended warranty with the money you saved.
    I bought my refurbished 17r4 3 years ago maxed out spec for $1600 and recently the cpu fried, so they replaced me with another refurbished M17r3 with that spec.
     
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    I did, but I'm not in the US but I checked my country's refurbished sale. No M17 R3 for sale. Thanks for the message.
     
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    I'm also rebating whether to pull the trigger now on a 19% off deal on the M17 R3, or wait for potentially better Cyber Monday deals.

    Did have a question though: I'm not comfortable repasting on this. Is it worth getting this laptop if I'm not going to repaste or is that just setting myself up for failure?

    Thank you.
     
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    I pulled the trigger on it. The reason I got it was it came to a 37% "discount" in my country (Canada). So including the original 19% deal, I was able to get the 10% newsletter signup code to work as well. That came to 29% off on the Dell website, and then I get another 8% cashback from buying through an affiliated rewards program (Rakuten) in Canada. Usually they offer 2% on Dell products, but this week they coincidentally had a 8% cashback promo. I get $200 back in a cheque. The Dell deal ends 11/16 at 2am EST, so I guess you only have 1 day to think about it.
    Anyways, Dell has a 30-day return policy. If you find a better deal during Black Friday, I'm pretty sure you can call Dell and return it...or maybe they'll credit you the difference back.

    To answer your question about repaste, I have researched the laptop for the past week and thermal repasting is not needed. The R3 has been re-designed and it has great cooling compared to the R1/R2 models from the past years. Check some of the Youtube videos out, and also read the comments thoroughly. The comment section is where most of the honest reviews are.
     
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    Sounds like a pretty sweet deal. Nice catch

    Needed? Maybe not
    Nice to have? Absolutely

    (Assuming your heatsink is one of the good ones)
     
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    Pulled the trigger on this one for less than $1500 plus additional 5% off if using Dells financing brought it down to $1425 and $80 back in Dells credit.

    Alienware M15 R3, i7-10750H, RTX 2070 Super, 300Hz
    https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/6cyt
     
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    Thanks seanwee. Agreed
     
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    I have fresh installation of 20H2 Win10 and have no problems with this driver o_O
     
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    I'm using the Studio version so that might be slightly different...
     
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    I was sent an m15 R3 about a month ago as replacement for my trusty 15 R3 that couldn't be fixed due to parts shortages.

    Specs:
    i7 10875H
    RTX 2070 mobile (regular, non-P non-Max-Q, refresh version)
    300Hz 1080p Display (looks like it is an AUOB98C panel)
    32GB RAM
    2x1TB + 1x512GB nvme SSD
    4 zone RGB keyboard
    Lunar White

    At first I was extremely happy, could not believe my luck in being sent a $2500+ brand new machine to replace my 4 year old workhorse, then the disappointment slowly crept in...

    Pros:
    + Lightweight, it is considerably smaller, thinner, and lighter than my 15 R3, I will give them that.
    + The "new" lunar white coating actually seems like it will hold up well, after a month it still looks brand new (I preferred DSOTM but was not available with the 300hz panel at the time)
    + The keyboard is decent, maybe even one of the better chiclet/island style keyboards I've ever used, but not near as comfortable to use as the old style sculpted key of the previous generation AW laptops. I briefly had an m15 R1 with the older style island KB and this is a major improvement over that cramped tiny key disaster of a KB.
    +++ The 15" 300hz 3ms display is nothing short of amazing. super accurate color, fast, bright, and 0 perceptible backlight bleeding. I'd say this is the best thing about the laptop. The only downside if there is there is no mux/optimus. Not really a concern for me I only ever use it plugged in.
    + All around performance (gaming, video editing, etc) was pretty good out of the box (except for the heat, see below). I can't really speak to battery life as I only ever use it plugged in.

    Cons:
    -- Soldered memory. Seriously WTH? I was able to convince them I needed 32GB at least (due to lack of upgrade ability), but heaven forbid it ever goes bad, cuz that never happens right? I honestly think the soldered memory is a ploy to sell more overpriced warranties.
    --- The heat. OMG the heat. Out of the box, even at idle or just light tasks like streaming music the cores were pinging off TjMax like a pinball machine and I was rarely if ever hitting max clock multipliers. The various cooling options in AWCC didn't really seem to make any difference except for fan noise. Performance was still great but you could fry an egg on the honeycomb grill (Using an IR thermometer I measured temps at 154F/67.7C at the hottest point of the grill while running CB R20, hot enough to BURN skin!). And this while sitting on a raised Deepcool N65 cooling pad with massive 140mm fans so not for a lack of airflow.

    Taming the beast:
    After failing to see any improvements using AWCC's "cooling" profiles, I tried Intel XTU to attempt an undervolt. I chose XTU because I was familiar with it and the intuitive interface, however the core and cache voltage offsets are locked out on this CPU. You can adjust PL1 PL2 and the boost time window in XTU but not much more.

    I finally put on my big boy pants and tried Throttlestop. After a few days of tinkering I settled on the following settings:

    Main window:

    Speedshift on, set to 0
    Speedstep off (also off in bios)
    BDPROCHOT on
    C1E on

    FIVR window:

    CPU core Offset voltage (check unlock adjustable voltage first): -130.9
    Can prob push this a little higher, seemed stable even at 145 but not much temp difference so dropped it back a bit.
    CPU cache Offset voltage: -.075
    I had one crash at -.080 that may have actually been due to playing with 2070 OC, but has been stable at .075 so keeping it there
    Turbo ratio limits - 51;50;49;48;47;46;45;45

    TPL Window:
    Now here's the funny thing, changes to PL1 and PL2 in the TS TPL window don't do anything. Nothing I tried seemed to change the power settings (verified with HwInfo). Oddly though, you CAN still change PL1 and PL2 in XTU, though I chose not to even mess with it and both are set to the "performance" setting from AWCC of 107W each.

    Lastly, I created custom fan curves in AWCC to better ramp up/down the fans with temps. This was a royal PITA as the AWCC interface isn't accurate at all, and took MANY tries. This profile gives a nice even ramp up to full speed when temps are high, but still slows down to acceptable fan/noise levels at lower temps.

    In AWCC, Fusion tab, thermal profiles, create a copy of the "performance" profile (sets PL1/PL2 both to 107W, if you want to change you will have to do so in XTU AFTER enabling this profile). After creating the copy be sure to go back to AWCC home tab and select it!).

    - Under CPU Fan, Advanced check "smooth line". Set first point to 0/0 (bottom left). Set third point to 100/100 (top right). Set middle point to 55% at 75C (this isn't actually how it will run!, its actually closer to 1:1 (75% at 75C etc)).

    CPU Fan Settings Image: https://i.imgur.com/WGclGXJ.png
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    - Under system Fan, Advanced, check "smooth line". Set first point to 0/0 (bottom left). Set third point to 100/100 (top right). Set middle point to 85% at 90C (again, this is NOT how it will actually run). Why this isn't more accurate, or why it isn't GPU temp based instead of system temp based IDK. The "system temp" rarely rises above 50-60C but it still ramps up when the CPU fan does using these settings so...

    System Fan Settings Image: https://i.imgur.com/aPnPO2y.png
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    Here's some examples of how the fans ramp with temp now. It is a tiny bit slower than I'd like but the closest I can get to optimal with AWCC's lousy interface, it also doesn't help these cpu temps ramp instantly from 50-100C in one cycle lol.

    Full Load Image: https://i.imgur.com/bM18q16.png
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    Light Load Image (not idle, web browsing and streaming) https://i.imgur.com/B6vDEQ2.png
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    Note: AWCC / Windows Power plan is on Balanced, battery slider (in Windows Tasktray) is at Best performance, and minimum CPU state in control panel power settings->advanced set to 5%

    Temps on the honeycomb grill are a more reasonable but still hot 120's at load now.

    Though not spectacular I think this is decent. Keep in mind my goal was to get acceptable performance, temps, AND acceptable fan noise when not doing heavy lifting. I think this did the trick. I still get the occasional core pinging off TjMax once in a while at idle/low usage, but its not all of them, all the time anymore.

    In general I seem to be able to hold 4.3-4.5Ghz clock on all cores at temps between 75-85C (with occasional spikes to 100C) during normal non-benchmark loads such as gaming.

    Some benching results. Again, nothing super amazing but decent, every bench I've run has been in the top 10% (or better) of results for 10875 / RTX 2070 (refresh) systems. It's obvious though the CPU is still being held back when others with the same HW (like Clevo, Mechrevo, Eluktronics, etc) get MUCH better CPU scores. The GPU seems to have more to give as GPU temps hover around low-mid 60's while benching even with the 300Mhz AWCC OC, so I may try Afterburner next and hope its not power limiting.

    PCMARK 10 score: 5952(9th place of 40 10875H/2070 systems)
    CPU hitting 5Ghz, 1.9 Ghz on the 2070
    https://www.3dmark.com/pcm10b/1004311

    3DMARK Timespy score: 8312 (top 9% of 1264 10875/2070 systems)
    Ran with a 300mhz boost to 2070 core and Mem from AWCC
    Hit 4.8ghz on CPU@ 75-80C average (until physics/CPU part which pegged temps),1.9Ghz on 2070 averaging 62C
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/53674047

    3DMARK Firestrike score: 18697 (27th of 623 10875/2070 systems)
    Ran with a 300mhz boost to 2070 core and Mem from AWCC
    Only hit 4.7ghz on CPU@ same 75-80C average (until physics/CPU part which pegged temps),1.9Ghz on 2070 averaging 61C
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/53673093

    Lastly - would I have spent my own hard earned money on this? Nope, wouldn't be prudent. the soldered memory is a deal-breaker, not to mention the choking of the CPU/GPU due to thermals. I wouldn't buy a car with a 500HP engine that's limited to 75% throttle, why would I buy a performance CPU that gets choked?

    Edit: Something I've noticed playing with AWCC, turning on ANY overclock profile boosts both fans by ~20%. While I suppose this is nice, So much for fine grained fan control.

    Edit 2: I'm still on the 1.5.0 bios. Has anyone tried 1.6 and can verify TS still allows unlocking voltages?
     
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  47. seanwee

    seanwee Father of laptop shunt modding

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    Newer bioses will continue to be locked out of undervolting. Try to find older bioses as those might have the ability to undervolt.

    @Papusan
     
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    etern4l Notebook Virtuoso

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    Good review. Couldn't agree more about the RAM, the m15 line (and effectively Alienware laptops) is dead to me now. A few points:

    * I've been using the R1 for 18 months, while I won't claim the keyboard is better than the newer one since I haven't use that at all, much less extensively. The m15 R1 keyboard is surprisingly good in practice, and the 10key numpad comes in handy. They did away with the Alien macro keys which constantly annoyed me on the 15 R2. The keyboard has good tactile feedback, distance between keys seems similar to my main keyboard (maybe 1mm shorter) and it is quite fast to type on.

    * Have you tried repasting? Probably not, since then you would have to deal with with the idiotic inverted mobo design

    * I appreciate you don't care about battery life, but for me this is essential: How on Earth does the the 300Hz model not have a MUX switch if they thought the laptop was better-off without Optimus by default?

    *The battery itself has been cut down a lot compared to the glorious 99Whr of the 15 line.
     
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    quan74 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Decided to push it to the edge and see what happens.
    -.185 core and .85 cache undervolt on the 10875
    +147Mhz GPU core and insane +800 Mhz GPU memory OC on the 2070

    Managed to blow away the previous best Firestrike scores for this CPU/GPU combo, but as you can see from the physics score compared to others, the CPU is still pretty nerfed in this 15" chassis (higher CPU scores are all 17" chassis)

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    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/53764693

    In Cinebench R20 I get ~3730 multicore and ~485 single. would be nice to break that 500 mark, but temps are actually pretty decent (80-90C with occasional cores spiking to 100) and not power throttling so not sure why I'm not holding max boost.

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    Since I've ordered an Area 51m R2 I'll be giving this to my daughter and will turn off the GPU OC and drop the undervolt to a more comfortable -.150/-.80. I'd rather her have something stable and cool without having to mess with AWCC and TS profiles :)
     
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    adwilk1231 Notebook Consultant

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    Hi everyone. So I just ordered a new 15 R3. It is supposed to be coming on the 11th. Seems like undervolting is a great way to help with heat. I've read a bunch of threads and am a little confused if I will be able to undervolt based on the BIOS. Any clarification would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
     
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