*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R2 Owner's Lounge

fine then, wait and see.

Edit: said more than i could

 

Check it out, just FYI:

 

I want to say bad words when i see eddy's post..........smh....

 

R2

 

You should ask him to unlock the ram speed not to a specific ram. That is the least they should do to take care of the original AW 51M owners.

 

With cheapo made MB... Wont happen. Dell wil try everything to avoid showing their cards. Their support team would be flooded with calls from customers who run into all sorts of stability problems due MB not designed for faster ram.

 

I’m really not surprised the R1 will likely not get the Super Cards. Even if the whole event of GPU’s burning up didn’t happen I’m sure they’d be doing the same thing. When they launch new cards they want you to buy a new machine. So you can only upgrade to cards that were in the same launch window. I’m not happy thinking that way day one, but booooy do I know marketing when I see it.

 

My internal sources from Dell told me the increased RAM speed support won't happen and when I asked why are they selling their Area 51-ms with 2666 MHz RAM then? They told me that's all the stock they have so stop wishing guys.

 

I can’t imagine going from 2400 to 2666 has any real benefits , my time spy score is about 11,200 gpu, and 10,300 for cpu .

The leaked area51m R2 shows similar results (which indicates they are fake)

area51m is limited by cooling solution not hardware.


There is a video where some tried liquid cooling on area51m and the results were also unsatisfactory.

Area51m should get a Ryzen level CPU, screw intel

 

This! then all our heat issues will come to an end!

 

I am interested in purchasing an i9 area 51m. Are there any issues I should be aware of? I found one locally used with warranty expiring next month. Wouldn't want to buy only to have issues with it later on. Plus its a pricey buy.

 

Of course they have a lot in stock. Most of all if not all of their notebooks follow Intel’s ram specs. Buy in bulk is cheapest!

 

this is the worst time to buy a laptop, either wait for R2 or buy R1 after the release of R2.
There are laptops now with Ryzen in them (desktop CPU)

 

None that I’ve seen with a 2080 or 2080 Super, though

 

Essentially we paid them to quality test the Area 51M. We had faith that they were going back to the old days of making good and powerful hardware. Since they were literally and figuratively burned with the 2080 GPU fiasco they through in the towel. Area 51M R1 is an END of Life product.

 

+5 years in the dark will do something with most of you [2013-2019] (6 years since Dell's engineers designed last laptop with socketed hardware). The Viking and Ranger line. Everything between has been BGA.

 

So it must be a mobo issue, maybe related to the traces. Mind boggling, as my G5 5590 that I use for travel etc supports and runs 2666 just fine. In fact I'm pretty sure almost all CFL laptops run 2666 just fine.

 

Wouldn’t around this time next year be the best time to buy a laptop? Might see a 51m R3 refresh with Ampere or at least have a much better idea when Ampere laptops will be rolling in?

 

i just dont see why anyone would purchase a laptop now, especially with a 10 core CPU that can't even use 75% of it's capability, not to mention it runs on a 6 year old architecture and we'll be lucky if intel gives 10nm CPU and a new arch on the same socket next year, might be another 14nm again.

this is the time to wait for golden cove or zen 4, ddr5 and pcie 4/5 is just right around the corner with possibly less than a year wait.

 

Not if you have a rev 2 mobo.

Enviado desde mi HTC One M9 mediante Tapatalk

 

Does your RAM run faster than 2400mhz? I'm just curious as to your response here. Have you identified differences between Revision 1 and 2?

 

At launch, you might be able to use 75% of 10c/20t cpu and after few dell updates it'll be no better than older AW releases. I hope Dell use 200C as throttling limit for CPU and for PCH 150c should be ideal to get most out of the LGA/BGA Dell with 10th gen intel cpus.
I didn't like any of the crippled soldered RAM on Ryzen mobile chipsets. Simply makes it obsolete if On-board RAM craps out! I'll wait next year for Ryzen 4000 Desktop or 5000 mobile H chips w/o crippled RAM slots. 32GB should be standard nowadays instead of 4/8/16GB.

 

You think a change of a very few components on the MB will make it much better/more exclusive? Cheapo is much more than this, brother. Proper power and signal lines baked into the PCB, how it is put together, the MB design (and I don't talk about shape or color of the PCB). There is much more who will contribute to put it above the moniker "cheapo" If the MB was made properly/designed well (Revision 1 or 2. Or 3 and 4 for that matter)... None of you had to spend time argue with Dell regarding the lack of 2666MHz ram or XMP support


For the records.... Alienware engineers did something equal for the AW line in 2015. No Raid support! http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-no-raid-0-support.771122/page-5#post-9952817

 

Burning sockets and silicon?

 

I've been posting on the R1 forum as I'm in the process of returning my 11 month old system.

1st paragraph shows that the new cards will not be available for the R1.


If you want further GPU upgrades for the R1, you have to buy the alienware graphics amplifier.

 

Nice story. No thanks.

 

You're most welcome. Glad I could be helpful.

 

Its like m17or m18x PCLGA were never made and they're denying its existence; How did people upgrade CPU/GPU w/o getting restricted to same generation upgrades.
@Papusan What do you think? Its better for Dell to close AW division or sell it to Clevo or Asus or even merge it with XPS and deprecate all AW design instead of making crippled hardware and firmware.

 

They should. They bought it for the name, you can see it clearly when XPS and AW BGA laptops get more love. Even their desktops are closed up machines with bad airflow and are plagued by BSOD's out of the box.
Not a great User Xperience compared to what where used to. AW is DEAD and will not revive like Jesus did. Else it would be a hell of an miracle. Would be awsome if AMD did release a socketed CPU based on MXM but i won't hope on it. It looks like where relegated to desktop pc's again while the DTR's are a slowly dying breed. It's all in Clevo's hands now, i won't call the 51m even a competitor against an @Prema modded Clevo.

 

Remove the AW brand name and stick to Dell branding. Then will everyone know what they'll get.


It’s over, it’s really over
In technology, you never say never. Except when it’s actually time to say never, and this is that time. After seeing Asus fail and MSI fail, we thought perhaps Alienware, the Sir Lancelot of computing, could succeed. But it’s clear that even with Dell’s vast strength that won’t happen either. Ever.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/354...-holy-grail-of-laptop-features-eluded-us.html

 

I was curios, will the R2 have a vapor chamber only on the GPU or also on the CPU? Looking at the cooling module below (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/...020_alienware_51m_with_vapor_chamber_cooling/) it seems that the vapor chamber is only on the GPU...which doesn't make too much sense considering the R1 GPU was fairly cool, but the CPU ran too hot.

 

One unified vapor chamber on the CPU side.

 

Aw thank you. Just realized it’s actually the CPU that has the vapor chamber that’s connected to the fan in the new module. Thanks!

 

Reason Clevo shines is because of Prema. Having said that, the new Clevo X170 has it's share of questionable engineering choices. We're mainly keeping an eye on the unified 340W heatsink and the departure from the proved P870 chassis.

 

Is the razer laptop's vapor chamber the best vapor chamber there is? Didn't they invent this tech? I just saw some reviews before where razer had good performance out of the box because they undervolted, OCed and comes with vapor chamber if I am not wrong?

So not sure how good they actually area.

 

I don't think Razer created the vapor chamber, I just know that they were some of the first to put it in laptops. Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that they run hot anyways and their quality control issues outweigh any benefits that their laptops may have, imo.

Is it possible that clevo might introduce a vapor chamber cooling solution for this laptop later down the line?

 

Far from it. Vapor Chambers were on graphics card many years before Razor did it. Also other companies use Vapor Chambers like Samsung and Gigabyte use vapor chambers already on their notebooks. Razer just markets their use of Vapor Chambers better than the rest.

Additionally, Razer's notebook design necessitates the need to use a Vapor Chamber. If you notice on the Razer Blade the airvents are very small and only in the back, there's none on the sides which means Vapor Chamber are a better alternative than heat pipes. Sometimes heat pipes are actually better than Vapor Chambers when you have more room like the MSI GT76.

 

https://celsiainc.com/heat-sink-blog/vapor-chamber-vs-heat-pipe/


This site has some scientific data, and the vapor chamber cleary wins over the heat pipe design. As an vapor chamber can easily cool up to 600W easily ( when the heat can be removed quick enough ) with pipes you only can transport it from the source while a VC spreads it over a surface. Meaning less prone to hotspots/uneven surfaces which is standard nowadays within laptops. Lapping can always help, but with a VC you're assured you don't need to to lap, only increase it's thermal conductivity to increase the speed it can spread the heat.

 

I personally believe Vapor Chambers should be the go to solution for laptop cooling. Purely because the form factor is thin and flat, just like a laptop form factor. But I guess it's heaver and too expensive to manufacture for every single laptop.

 

Hi all

I am a newcomer to this forum and am in a bit of a quandary.

I have just received (still unpacked in box) an Area 51 laptop - core i7 - 9700 and RTX 2080, 32 MB RAM, 144hz G-synch screen. I received approx 15% discount through one of Dells offers. Having just heard about the updated Area 51 about to be released (10th Gen i7, RTX 2080 - Super) I am now unsure as to whether I should return the R1 for a refund (Dell have advised that I can do this) and order the updated laptop as soon as it is available - I expect I would need to pay at least 15% extra, probably more. What do people think/advise? The new version has a 4K screen option (at no doubt significant additional cost - only 60hz refresh though) - what do people think about 4K gaming - worth it or better to stay 1080 with a higher refresh rate screen?

Please let me know what you think!

 

Interesting vid:

Apparently 10900K isn’t as crazy on temps as the 9900K due to the die thickness shrink!

There is still hope for the R2 to have good thermals!

 

Still 250w that need to be removed. Stock clocks on an unlocked chips. Add in Heaven for Gpu and the Unfied heatsink will run into it's thermal limits quite fast.

 

*Screams in thermal density*

We are all mushrooms with future upgradeabilty.

 

That’s with turbo unlocked though, he mentions that

 

Who would run an ulocked chips with stock Tau or and power limits?

 

No turbo limits

 

There pluses and negatives to choosing either way. If you dont need a DTR right now and can wait for another 3 to 4 months before the the units actually start making it to buyers doorsteps then you can lean towards going for the R2. If you dont like chiclet keyboards and like the keyboard that is on your current unit, well all I can say is I love my R1 and I just received it 10 days ago, Its working and doing everything properly for me, why give up a good thing? If your machine is working as intended and is doing what you want it to do then I would keep it. You can always purchase a new R2 6 months down the line after a few months of buyers testing it out and giving there nitty gritty on it here on the forums. There performance gains are not significant enough to warrant giving up a properly working R1, the vapor chamber cooling is a plus but the new chiclet keyboard in my eyes is a negative which has no macro keys.

You have to take into consideration price hike as well. Your not going to be saving 15% on the R2. I have found with the area51m that waiting for my machine to arrive is torture, I just want it now so you would be waiting a minute for the R2 to arrive and knowing that you had a perfectly working R1 and giving it up would make the wait even longer. Also with 10th gen CPU chips, who knows if we will be able to undervolt with plundervolt effecting everything that has came out so far. With these hot hot intel chips undervolting is a requirement unless you want to run your CPU in the 90 degrees Celsius range every time you start your machine.

For me, I will keep my R1 as its a beautiful properly working unit and I will wait for the R3 with 3xxx GPU or If I feel the need buy an R2 after a few months of user opinions make there way to notebookreview forums. I am an laptop enthusiast though, I keep my stuff I dont try to flip it the second something new comes out.

 

If it would irritate you and cause you to lose your mind I would.

 

No Turbo limits ain't the same as unlimited power limits. Let it run wild.