*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Nah don't cancel. For one we have no idea how it will actually perform. The max q versions might be underwhelming, but this should be pretty solid. I haven't seen anything that was "Fact" and cause for concern. Speculation is good and all but you should never take it at face value. If the cooling in this laptop is good enough it will boost higher than the specifications that we see from nvidia.

And 300 nits is fine unless you're gonna be outside alot. And there may never be a 1440 model. 4K is almost certainly coming. But 1440 is just rare in laptops. And a thin bezel one probably doesn't exist and there is likely such a low demand for it.

I'm gonna wait for mine. If it doesn't perform well it goes back. I'm still excited for it.

 

Carrying a heavy weight champion for travel isn't required, maybe that's why dell used GSYNC and lower nits for DTR.

 

Cost too probably. I think they're getting OLED screens too down the road? Or is that the m15 and m17?

 

OLED are too unpredictable for a gaming laptop because of burn-in. IPS with HDR display sounds very good that too with higher nits to come close to OLED.
OLED will be expensive for larger screen.

 

Yeah the burn in issue would stop me from getting the screen. But everyone that had the oled screen on there alienware 13 loved it. So maybe in a few years when they fix that. Lol

 

The alienware 13 has been out for what 4 years now? I have yet to see anyone complain about the oled panel anywhere.

 

Have one sitting in the cart on HIDevolution right now with the following and it is only $53.00 more than the stock high end on Dell's website with no upgrades.

Delidded 9700k with Conductonaut between CPU and IHS, Conductonaut on GPU, Gelid GC (don't care about the 9900k, useless money spent for gaming over 9700k)
Extreme between IHS and heat spreader, and Fujipoly thermal pads
RTX 2080
144HZ G-Sync panel
Professional Screen Calibration
Panel picked for minimal backlight bleed
32GB RAM (2x16 @ 2666MHz)
Stock 1TB SSHD (have my own dual 1TB nvme drives and 2TB Firecuda to install once received)
Intel 9260 wifi
Win 10 Pro

$4303.00 vs $4250.00

So wanting to pull the trigger on this!!!! Only thing holding me back is wanting a 1440p, either 120 or 144hz screen. Although on a lot of the demanding titles out now the 2080 doesn't max out 144fps at 1080p ultra (non-overclocked)

 

If you're reading a lot of books with white background then OLED will suffer badly.
Then again, most of them are embracing dark mode. I'm accustomed to OLED phone and if anyone says Burn in and bad battery life problems, they can pry my phone out of my hands when they're cold!

 

So has this been confirmed it will not use the mobile variant of the RTX 2080/2070?
I could have swore I heard someone say in a interview they do but I might have not understood correctly.

 

It is only confirmed that the RTX 2080 will be a 180w+ version. If it is modified desktop or modified mobile, we do not know.

Mobile RTX 2080 is quoted at 150w for other full power systems right now.

 

I read in one of Frank Azor tweets that he anticipates 1440 closer to the end of 2019

 

Our only complaint is the lack of OLED screens! I simply won't upgrade my AW 13 until there's a better AW notebook with a comparable OLED panel. No burn in issues after almost 3 years of aggressive use (10-14 hours per day and a lot of reading). m15 is supposed to get an OLED in March, which gives some hope that it will be compatible with the Area-51m mobo.

 

Yeah but Frank Azor just says what he wants. I've only watched maybe four videos with him in it and he's lied about something everytime. For example he says the Alienware 51m is the FIRST laptop with a 9900k. We all know that's not true. So I take his word as a suggestion at best. But a 1440p screen would definitely make alot of people consider this machine. But, that's just how alienware releases products.

 

Why people are asking for a screen with more resolution instead of asking for HDR, more bright, better contrast, i.e things that really matters, going beyond 1080p in a 17 inch screen is pointless

 

Guys, you all need to chill out. not trying to defend azor or what, but i think what he meant was Area-51m is alienware's first i9 9900K laptop. Also about MXM, news flash. MXM is dead for some time. there is no more MXM STANDARD from Nvidia or AMD. The GPU clevo or msi made in so called "MXM" format are all proprietary in their own way, non of which fits into one another. If anything i applaud alienware for taking the initiative to develop their own DGFF which they hope to support for future GPU. DGFF has the potential to be far more future proof than clevo or msi "mxm" judging from the forward thinking engineering design(ie HDMI and DP port on the DGFF board, external power connector etc) Strictly speaking, NON of the MXM or DGFF standards guarantee any future proofing. not from alienware, not from msi, not from clevo. we can only hope for the best.

Alienware has been out of the game for many years and now they are making a come back. Some of you need to keep your expectations in check and not complain about not having unlimited 9900k CPU power usage which is totally pointless in games etc. Yes there are flaws here and there, nothing is perfect. this is their first DTR for many years, and if it's successful there will be more to come with better improvements. That's just how things are. people improve with time. nailing it to the grave before even testing it is not the right way.

Instead of listening to all the hatreds from clevo fan boys, i for one am excited about this new direction alienware is taking and i truly appreciate azor and his team finally listening to what enthusiasts really wants, a powerful DTR laptop. with more constructive support and feedback, maybe they can even grant all the wishes you all have been whining about. wait for proper reviews first before we all make hasty nasty comments. after all, we all still have substandard laptop brands to fall on if area-51m failed to deliver.

 

Many of us have seen all his presentations / interviews... If we see a cat outside, we think its a cat and not a dog. We ain't blind.

From Dell and Alienware's press release...
Date : 08/01/2019 Las Vegas, Nevada

 

1080p is way too low for a 17 in. screen. You can literally see the individual pixels.

 

I honestly dont think you should get too hung up on some marketing claims. one can argue they never mentioned they are the only one to make DTR with desktop CPU, but that's up to the lawyers or marketing BS people to interpret. I personally dont care because we all know how marketing works. they overhype things and make it sound bigger or more than it should be most of the time. that's their job.

what I care are facts, and real performance figures. Like 119W CPU + GPU load and 136W CPU load only. even though it's limited, it's still way more CPU power than BGA jokebooks H class CPU can harness. that's a fact. Real performance figures are still not available so it's all speculation at this point. If you truly want unlimited power, go for real desktop. no laptop can contain the mess that intel made, not even clevo. i9 9900k is a CPU that should not exist in the first place. it's way long overdue for process shrink. using 14nm is forcing it to run at very high temperature and extremely power hungry if left unchecked.

let's just keep an open mind and i believe we have had enough nasty comments. lets keep things contructive and save more trash talk until the real stuff is released.

 

My 27" desktop monitor is 1080p. Shhh...

 

I have the oled display on my 13r3 for two years and absolutely no burn-in at all.

 

Clearly, the people making up this baloney are legends in their own minds, and they just don't know what they don't know. They should get out more and maybe then they would realize their marketing BS is blatantly false advertisement. The only alternative explanation would be they are compulsive liars that have no problem using deception as a clever technique to make money. Many people end up in prison due to sheer stupidity and ignorance. Many more end up in prison because they are evil and they actually belong there.

I have two Asus 1080p monitors. There is not a thing in the world wrong with 1080p. I'd say it's the best multi-purpose resolution and the defacto standard. I do like my 1440p 165Hz Predator monitor better, but I certainly would not avoid buying a laptop only on the basis that it has a 1080p screen. Now, if it was less than 1080p or less than 120Hz refresh rate, there is no excuse for that at this point. Both of those things stopped being acceptable excuses for a quality display panel around 2015.

 

Saw an interview between Engadget and someone from Dell and that person said that it is a full, max performance 2080 in the laptop.

Also stated in the interview is that the cooling solution on the laptop is capable of pushing 25 cubic ft / min of air through the system.

 

Nah. I'm getting old and can't see them anymore.

 

It would be out of spec for a notebook 2080 to be 180W+ TGP. It would be highly irregular and unlikely for Dell to do anything greater than standard spec from Intel or NVIDIA. They are fundamentally opposed to the concept of doing so, but it would be consistent with their historical behavior to go less than reference specifications. They did so with 1080 until NVIDIA stepped in to correct that mistake.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...-in-over-40-notebooks-this-year.391981.0.html


It will not be the equivalent of a desktop 2080, as the 2080 FE is 225W TGP.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition,5809.html

 

Holy cluster monkey's. Those 2080 max-q boost clocks really just straight up hurt my feelings. Glad I'm going with something like the Area 51m. Gonna need to make myself a powerful laptop cooling pad like you did.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...D-Clevo-P775TM1-G-Laptop-Review.350636.0.html

Schenker had last year already a 9900k AW is just trying to use marketing like Nvidia and Apple use It but the difference is that those companies are marketing companies that also sell hardware, not a hardware company that also does some marketing for their products. Nvidia GPP and all lobbying against to right to repair (from Apple) already proves they not for the consumers. Dell tries to copy those numbers (Dell hasn't exactly been welcomed on the stock market.)

 

Sorry, OFF TOPIC.

@Rei Fukai LOL

Look what I found:

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/octaneVI-15/

9900K + RTX2080 in 15 inch LOL @ screen bezels, but the price is right.

2600 EUR

LOOOL 1 x 330W adapter

 

Sometimes my lasik is a curse. I can understand people with bad eyes because I couldn't see the front board unless I was in front row. 20/10 vision is crisp.

 

Nice catch ! specs seem nice, but damn a 15 inch... have to say they have some balls, but the chassis is quite a bit thicker than the AW 15Rx series. It even has the same amount of heatpipes as the new 51m.....



Sadly it's shared, but you won't get the tripod mess or imbalance problems. Only if it didn't have shared heatsinkssssss.... at least they try to move the heat away by diverting the pipes downwards (towards the ram) making it easier to make a actively cooled RAM or PCH (running a thin strip of a Philips Graphene sheet to the heatsink) or even a SSD. AW messed up.

 

Thanks for this post!!

I guess the guy from Dell in the interview I saw meant max performance LAPTOP 2080.....gotta love corporate speak to make things sound better than they are.

 

I used to be able to take my glasses off when I got home and watch tv and play games without any issue. Now I straight have to wear glasses as my vision over all is just blurry. If it gets alot worse in the next ten years I'll probably get lasik myself.

And to be clear I'd be happy if this laptop got 1440p. I think that's a good sweet spot for a screen this size.

 

1440p is indeed the sweet spot.

 

When can we expect to see some benchmarks isn't it around anytime now?

 

Cards dont technically release until the 29th so dont expect reviews on any RTX laptops until then at the earliest.

 

If I was to guess I would think we won't see anything till Jan 29th...

 

ahh okay i thought shipping for the area51m was 24th it starts?

 

Those marketing idiots at Ngreedia placed NDA on rtx laptop gpu so nobody can sell or test laptop rtx until 29th.

Jensen and his team should be ashamed for going on and on about laptop and desktop gpu being equal during pascal launch however this time around rtx laptop and desktop have a somewhat large performance gap which they failed to mention during launch event.

 

If that's the case that's a joke !!!

 

Sorry for asking here, but I think most super tweaker watching this thread . What do you guys think about this result, to me a it seems dGPU on a laptop.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17983029

 

Yup, that's a Clevo. They have 3 models with 9900K and 2080, and they had laptops with CPUs like 4790K, 4930K, 4960X, 6700K, 7700K and 8700K before that. AW is just super late to the party and making up marketing lies to try to look good. I give them credit for being smart enough to recognize they should be doing this, but they're clearly not the first and it's extremely unlikely that they will ever make the fastest and most powerful laptop ever again. Those were the good old days, and they're over now.

That sad part is the tech media are facilitating and perpetuating the lies. Probably more out of ignorance than anything else. And, that's par for the course with the media. Pretty much all news is fake news any more. It is never accurate except by accident.

 

It is very important that you @Mr. Fox and other 'rebels with good intentions like @Papusan and likes LOL' here keep smacking the shot out of Alienware.

They read these forums as they care about TRUE valuable opinion, so Alienware can simply progress to stay relevant.

Good job.

 

Man I'm so ready for official reviews + benchmarks to start coming out on this!

 

Well said


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Clearly their marking works, there is no such thing as negative press. Got you talking about it. They could be full of BS, however I don’t know what the laws are with statements saying worlds fastest laptop with no prof. The thing about that is the public is ignorant to statements like this and believe what they see or hear today.


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While this is true, it doesn't make it OK to embellish, misrepresent or distort the truth. Press doesn't have to be negative to be inaccurate or misleading, or unethical. Taking advantage of ignorance might be lucrative, but it is no less deplorable. They started out by saying it was the fastest Alienware laptop ever, and that might actually be true... probably is, and I would be somewhat shocked if it is not.

I think it would have been more than adequate to rely upon their decision to use a desktop CPU and modular GPU in creating positive energy, and it is that fact alone that really has people excited; not the inaccurate insinuation that they are doing something that has not been done before, or the unsubstantiated claims about this the fastest laptop in the world. It's unfortunate to taint the value of their smart business decisions with behaviors suggesting they are creating premature delusions of grandeur.

That would have been accurate. If anything different is presented, it is misleading and inaccurate. And, since 9900K is new and current, it's going to be anyone's first that uses it in a desktop or laptop. It is very meaningful that it is the first laptop released by Dell/Alienware with a desktop CPU. Hopefully, it will be the first of many and they will all function correctly, without any performance gimping, and run reasonably cool.

 

I can't wait to see how this does! I strongly have my doubts but I appreciate that Dell at least brought something compelling to the table.

Seeing this in person and having actually laid hands on it, she's a beauty. But looking at the teardown there's no chance at cooling properly with that amount of copper. I think the base spec 8700 non k and 2070 will actually do well enough, post delid.

I personally would at the very least want the 9700K and the who knows how well RTX will pan out in laptops thermally. I think we will see a larger variation with 20 series performance and thermal performance across all sorts of chassis more so than we already did with Pascal.

 

Depends if they further shrink on the cooling capacity and go for even thinner chassis thickness on all their models (from worse to even more worse). Older model design without chassis changes and same old <awful> cooling as they had for Pascal should perhaps see better times because nvidia crippled Turing's TDP vs. Pascal. But if they add in possible 8 cores unlocked BGA or as Dell now push for i9 in Aw m15 this will fast change to the worse.

 

Your picture is of an older iteration of that system (Haswell P750ZM or Skylake P750DM). The most recent Coffee Lake P750TM (what I have in my sig) has more powerful 12V fans and a different heatsink design (alongside other changes to the motherboard, GPU, I/O selection/placement, etc.). It looks like this:

Spoiler

The nice thing about this heatsink is that heat bleed between the CPU and GPU is minimal (basically performs like a non-unified design from my testing) since the single unifying heatpipe does not crossover to the other side's fin stack. So I can be using 135W on the CPU while rendering a video and the GPU stays nice and cool at 40C, which is nearly normal idle temps without any CPU load.

That said, while the upcoming P750TM-R (RTX refresh) will be utilizing this same chassis and motherboard, it will have a different heatsink because the component layout on the Clevo RTX 20 Series MXM cards is slightly different from their 10 Series MXM cards. So it will be interesting to see what that new heatsink looks like.

 

A lot of review sites and opinion on the M15 is that it is still too thick vs the competition. They have to go with what the industry asks or else they wont earn.

 

From what I remember have read... OEM manufacturers have to follow NVIDIA’s newer rules... Thinner models must use lower TDP for graphics. Nothing is called fixed/equal TDP for each graphics cards model anymore. Want go slimmest... Just cripple it with lowest possible TDP value in vbios. See... 2080 (80-150+). Just look at older Razer models with the power gimped 1080. The thinner, the worse.