*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

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I could be wrong but I thought that dell was using a 330w+180w config for these machines. This seems to be the quickest way to get over 500w with other options being 330w+240w or the dual 330s. the 330+180 is for sure the smallest package out of those three dual adapter configs. Now, I personally also think dell is lagging way behind in their power adapter size department, other brands are making 240w units that are much smaller and more compact than the dell 240w bricks, but that's another argument. It would have been nice to get a single 500w brick to use but if that isn't in the cards, the 330w and 180w combo seems to be the smallest solution to the problem.

maybe someone can come up with some sort of 3d printed enclosure to hold both power adapters and then one of these ( https://www.amazon.com/d/Audio-Video-Cables/Tripp-Lite-Standard-IEC-320-C13-P006-006-2/B0030F2U82 ) would give you a fairly clean solution, though still not perfect.

 

Has anyone here ever bought one of these Elite backpacks made by Mobile Edge? I'm a longtime customer of Waterfield bags (sfbags.com) and love them for their high quality and usefulness. I'm currently between a Waterfield Bolt Backpack and a Peak Designs Everyday Backpack 30; will this Elite Backpack be of decent quality?

 

It makes no difference in a system like this. The max it can pull is theoretically (with uncapped CPU TDP) about 425W. (Ignoring limitations of cooling)

With CPU capped at 136W, you can probably get away with 2X 180W adapters. Still need to see how the system splits its power though

 

Okay since you mentioned this things here quite often, you can visit Blade 15 thread here and I’ll show you I’ll kiss 5 minutes that area after long session pubg
Let’s focus on Area 51M here, it’s nothing to compare with Blade 15 since it’s very different categories, like dog and tiger

 

The Area 51m bags are only just being released. So no one has them yet. I do believe the m15 and m17 backs are made by the same company. But those have only been out for a few months. The older Vindicator bags seem to be fan favorites and have been around for awhile.

I ordered an Area 51m backpack just a few minutes ago. It'll be here early February. So I'll give some first impressions of it then. And down the road I'll comment how it's holding up lugging around my Area 51m.

 

Yeah, I understand, poor choice of words. I was meaning has anyone bought ANY of the "Elite" bags from Mobile Edge such as the m15/m17 versions as well. I look forward to reading your review/impressions!

 

You must have some type of lip balm with sun screen before you kiss it!

I agree. I am excited for this new machine. Wish I have money to buy it

 

Ah ok. Well I just tried to look up the m15/m17 backpack and can't find any reviews on google or the dell website. So I'll definitely cover the Area 51m one once I get it.

 

It'll be interesting to see how it all works out once people get it in their hands. I would assume that if dell could have shipped it with two cheaper and smaller power adapters they would have done so, but they've done more stupid things before so who really knows.

 

I have 8 waterfield bags, I love them all, I bought a 1400 carbon fiber tumi backpack last year and hate that POS. But Waterfield is top notch.

However I have so many other notebooks, I do not plan to travel with the A51M.

 

Everywhere I looked the specs for the display always mentions 72% color gamut, But without any specification as to which gamut they are talking about.
There are so many, but since they don't mention any, the standard expectation would be sRGB, but 72% sRGB, that is in today's standards a VERY pathetic color gamut for IPS, especially since this CES they showed IPS panels with 95% DCI P3 coverage.
Anyone has a better guess as to which gamut they are talking about?

 

I have a tumi laptop bag and it’s holding up well. They make good stuff

 

Dell uses sRGB as far as i can tell (unless otherwise specified like on their precision notebooks).

 

Not knocking Tumi, I have the full line of Carbon travel luggage and love it, just that backpack design the zipper is deep under an outer trim and its a pain to open, some of the storage areas lack also, and for 1400.00 you should be able to unzip that baby like greased lighting. Its setting in the closet collecting dust.

http://www.slappa.com/KIKEN-2-RICCO-Brown-laptop-shoulder-bag.html

This one may work?

 

i want this http://www.plywood.jp/shop/shopdetail.html?brandcode=000000006176&search=backpack&sort=

to fit all 20" laptop

 

It's not good IMO, and frankly inexcusable on a laptop of this caliber, but it's pretty much typical across the board for all the 17" 144hz laptops out there. They're probably all using one or two panels that are the same.

I really find it strange that all the gaming laptops at CES had 1080p screens with rare exception. As GPUs get more and more powerful, you'd think that 1440p or UHD monitors would become more and more common but it doesn't appear as though that's the case.

 

No, that's 72% CIE1931 which is 100% sRGB. Hope this helps.

 

Holy crap. You could fit me in that!

 

The funniest stuff I have seen and heard today lmao.

 

72% should be the coverage in NTSC , which corresponds to + 90% sRGB and ~60% aRGB. AFAIK, all the 144Hz panels that were measured so far (for laptop reviews), are rated at 72% NTSC.

FHD laptop displays can be divided in two categories:
lower quality panels that are rated at 45% NTSC (which are found in lower end 15" laptops) and higher quality displays which are rated at 72% NTSC (all the 17" panels that are still in production, all the high refresh 15" panels, and some 15" 60Hz panels).

There are some FHD TN (120Hz) panels that have a higher coverage, for eg: N173HHE-G32 and N156HHE-GA1, which are rated at 94% NTSC (100% sRGB, +75% aRGB).

 

Yes it's NTSC not CIE. Sorry I mistyped, CIE1931 is just a coordinate system, it has no meaning here. I meant 72% NTSC. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

What did I just look at ?

 

I think I already answered that. It's a special Terreos transportation device.

 

Am I the only one that thinks it's absolutely insane that this machine doesn't even have Type A USB 3.1?!??
It only has 3 USB Type A port at 3.0 and 1 Type C port....
Every other manufacturer has USB 3.1 Gen2!!
Why the hell did Alienware cheap out so bad on the only non upgradeable parts?
I've pre-ordered but I got a feeling I'll just be sending it back as soon as I get it.... I got it to use with VR and I'm also now found out they cheaped out even more and their usb type C won't even support Nvidia's VirtualLink that was made available to all manufacturers by Nvidia with RTX.

....I'm so disappointed. Shame on you Alienware for being so flipping cheap.

 

Ordered one

 

Just went to mall of America and they had razers there. A 17in Razer and the 13in stealth. Stealth felt warmer. I can say that those were just idle at the desktop and the keyboard and especially the palmrest were very hot. At least over 50c. I'm used to my laptops 42c keyboard while gaming.

 

I think I know what unusable keyboard temperature, I’m doing pubg quite often on go on my current and previous Blade with ac adapter plugged, it’s warm but not hot. We have also Blade 15 and Blade Pro in Mediamarkt as display show always on and not hot at all on idle, i even downloaded 3Dmark and run it there. I had MX150 ultrabook, that one is 50 degrees on keyboard when running games and yes it’s very uncomfortable to use. Idk about current stealth I don’t have it.

 

Hey, how did you add 3200MHz HyperX RAM on 17 r4? Did you mod your BIOS?

 

Nope. Just works. With the older BIOS's. I dont remember the exact version, but for you to be able to set the memory frequency and timings you need the right BIOS version along with the right XTU version.

 

Damn... you're one lucky guy. @c69k will kill me by hiring Agent 47. I actually told him to get 2667MHz HyperX since I had my doubts if 3200MHz worked for his 13 r3 kabylake version.

 

LOL I am a skateboarder, I bypass agents, no worries there.


@bloodhawk

Can you tweak memory timings in Bios or XTU? Or both ??? Or is all automatic? What timings and speed it works at? Please let me know !!!

 

wait kaby supports 3200 on mobile chipset ??

 

I don’t think 13r3 had the same bios version like the R4. Completely different animal

 

But 13 r3 has 7700HQ config just like 17r4 so it might be possible!

 

Yeah I thought AW BIOS restricted it to 2667MHz while bloodhawk said, he used older BIOS to put 3200MHz RAM in his 17r4.

 

only the initial bios for almost every model had unlocked setup.. even R2 had that on A00 bios.. so called initial release.. not sure why they plan to disable it.. greedy Dell

 

This is @bloodhawk 's setup.

Alienware 17 R4 : Intel 6820HK (4.3Ghz) /GTX1080 (230W ) / 32GB 3200Mhz RAM / 1 TB X400 / 512GB Samsung EVO / 1TB HGST 5400rpm.

Isn't it that if you have unlocked processor you can tweak RAM too ??? Either in Bios or XTU???

 

Oh! Have you seen RAM timings to be adjusted in XTU? I think HK supports OC in BIOS and XTU/TS.

 

Hey Guys and Gals,

I just had a double-take after reading the last couple of pages on this thread, as I thought maybe I clicked on the wrong one!

Getting back to the Area 51M. Initially I was super-excited when this machine was first announced, but now that the bright lights and hype are fading and the specs/other info is known, my excitement is waning quickly.

Question: What is the Intel roadmap for socket 1151? I'll be darned if I can find one that goes past the 9900K.

If there is no realistic chance that the CPU in this machine can be upgraded past the 9900K, then I don't see the point of investing in this "upgradeable" machine. Factor in the lack of definitive statements that GPU upgrades will be available down the road, and buying this machine is tantamount to getting down and dirty with some high-end "BGA filth".

Now if the socket is "dead", but there are going to be motherboard upgrades, heatsink upgrades, etc., THEN the Area 51M would be worth considering. It would be truly upgradeable, like a desktop (and after all, this is supposed to be a DTR, so why not have that flexibitlity, just like a true desktop would?). Heck, Dell kept the same/similar mobile Precision chassis for IDK how many iterations, and it would have been easy enough to, say, upgrade the M6600 to an M6800, for instance, if the motherboards were swappable - just keep the ports on the motherboard in the same place...or better yet, make the ports attached to the chassis, but changeable, and ribbon-connect to the motherboard.

I think that perhaps the pencil pushers might opine that such a strategy would cut into future sales/profits, but considering the cost of upgrades, I doubt that it would.

If I'm wrong (about the roadmap especially), feel free to set me straight.

 

Totally agree with you here. Except for the upgradeable motherboard idea. The cost of a laptop MOBO+CPU+GPU upgrades would exceed the total cost of this already overpriced machine. Just check the prices of AW mobo's on ebay. Dell would charge you much much more. So yeah, if you are hoping to have a desktop like approach here, - not going to happen. Also, Dell will ALWAYS "encourage" you to buy a new generation system by adding an extra port or component which can't be upgraded to on your old machine. I wouldn't count of fair play here or any long term commitment to the small enthusiast group.

 

I see your point about the upgradeable motherboard when the cost of the other components is factored in, but seeing as how most of my desktop upgrades have been incremental, such that I've kept the same RAM and GPU while upgrading the CPU or motherboard and CPU in most instances (excepting the DDR3 to DDR4 transition), I don't think that being able to do the same in a laptop is implausible. Since the trend for some time has been a move away from desktops and toward laptops, I don't see why laptops can't have something similar to the desktop I/O standard, such as the I/O panels on desktop motherboards and the spaces for them on the rear of desktop cases, at least on a brand by brand basis.

On that note, anyone up for a kickstarter?!? J/K!...sort of...!

 

Yeap you can, but sometimes those settings wouldn't stick for me. And i would have to a weird "insert stick while the system is on" , "tweak using XTU" process to get things to work. But once the system boots. Everything sticks.

It wont work with all systems. At least not at 3200Mhz. 3200 Mhz worked with only my 6820HK and not my 7700HQ. With the 7700HQ i could only get 2800Mhz to work. Obviously, timings had to be adjusted accordingly. So the lottery with the IMC comes into play.

AFAIK, however, getting 2800Mhz to work shouldn't be an issue with the HK processors. 3000/3200Mhz is a different story though.

 

intel usually keeps 2 gen on 1 socket and 2nd gen usually requires a bios update. 9900k being the 2nd and 8700k being the first. not saying 10nm wont be socket compatible with a mod but it will require more work, and risks and unofficial support.

so this machine comes at the 2nd yr which isnt at a good time, but who knows what dell would have in mind. if they do keep same chassis and allows mobo swap thats a good thing. sell your old mobo + cpu and buy a new mobo + cpu would recoup 30-50% of the cost.

of course, new mobo may have new restriction etc. right now it is limited to 125% TDP they might up that or limit that.

 

I know some people seem concerned with the CPU not being upgradeable to a newer generation. I'm kinda curious what you guys use your laptops for that this would a concern to you? If you get a 9700k or 9900k it should serve you well for a few years atleast.

Me personally if we get atleast one generation that we can upgrade the internal GPU to the next gen I'll be happy. Then hopefully by the time that is obsolete I'll just upgrade to a new laptop. Granted I hope that's 4-5 years from now. Lol

 

I agree there, the 9900K I ordered with mine should be good for a very long time. Only upgrade I care about is GPU. But the 2080 with a 144hz 1080P panel should last me long enough to not care about that as well lol


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Most people will say there's too much computer pr0n involved and stick with 2667MHz.

 

More performance with less heat and less voltage will result in a CPU that can clock higher while using less mV and generating less heat while staying longer on its boost clock. It can also make your laptop quiter because it does not generate alotof heat the fans do not have to spin add hard as they normally do resulting a quiter system. When benchmarking or rendering more perfomance is always welcome.

 

There is never any guarantee that the next generation will run cooler than the last generation. Especially now that AMD is putting the pressure on intel to release higher core counts and faster processors. Now I can see the next generation being more efficient and possibly run cooler if it's the same amount of cores. But, is that really a deal breaker if you couldn't put it into the area-51m? Plus it might use a different socket. Normally next generation CPU's have new sockets. So upgrading would be impossible anyway without a motherboard swap.

The point I'm getting at is it seems people are asking things of this laptop that are unrealistic. If you had a desktop with a 7700k inside of it and wanted to upgrade to the 9900k, would you complain you couldn't make that upgrade without a new motherboard? Now I can understand people being concerned about the GPU not being upgradeable next gen. But, the CPU?

 

They just follow the same design factor for their whole product line. From the thinnest AW m15 up to the Aw Area-51M

As long it’s possible... Oh’yeah. People running 9900K on older machines released with old chipset and 6700K.

And I don’t just talk about desktops. With fully locked down firmware you’re locked out from everything. Either you want upgrade or remove all sorts of power caps put here and there.

 

If your using this laptop to mostly game on do you really need the i9?
I get why people would want one but I can’t see any benefits for a i9 for gaming, wouldn’t a i7 8700/I7 9700K be more than enough?
It’s a lot cheaper than I though it would be to tell you the truth.
Anyone know the performance difference between the RTX 2070 and RTX 2080?
Im fighting myself deciding which way to go.