*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

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They are all based on the same series and technology. Including the one in that HP convertible laptop. and you cant force users to change everything in their workflow just to save a panel.

 

Can't see the temps that clearly. Idle CPU temp seems pretty low for a normal ambient. That thermometer looks like fake to me, sorry.

 

wow... 100°C during BFV is crazy. Maybe repaste + delidd will help ... I think that 2080RTX stays really cool, but that i9 gets really hot... Maybe someone can translate some interesting comments?

the fans are also not that noisy, if i compare it to my AW18 ^^

 

I wish Dell kept the M18x concept and perfected it instead of redesigning a broken wheel.

 

Can we change the title of this thread to "oled for laptops" ?

@Zer0K thank u, finally something about area-51m.

 

Just up the quality in YouTube and you'll see everything perfectly...

 

Ooof... a lil bit toasty...

 

guys, a few takeaways from the chinese area-51m testing youtube video posted by @Zer0K . he is using 9700K+2070 heatsink to cool 9900k+2080 during stress test and he mentioned he is very positive about the cooling system's ability to handle 9900+2080. however, he said he felt that 9700K will be a more suitable CPU given that even in a desktop, 9900k is hard to contain. Also, he mentioned 2080 heatsink has an additional exhaust heatpipe even though the total number of heatpipes are the same. i'm still watching it as i'm typing.

update: he mentioned the system has no issues handling the stated long term turbo 119W which we can all see hovering around 4+GHz. 60dB at max fan speed. keyboard area cool around 32C+-

update: he will be able to get proper 2080 heatsink after chinese new year. right now all the test you see him doing are using 2070 heatsink. seems to me heatsink is differentiated by GPU, not CPU.

update: audio is excellent on area-51m reaching 90dB. gaming load, fan noise under 50dB. he mentioned his BIOS is buggy and not optimised causing long term turbo to throttle to 95W intel defined TDP.

Again, he stressed many times in that really long video, he is using engineering sample laptop, using a 9700K+2070 heatsink to cool 9900K+2080. so everything we saw in the video is not what a proper 9900K+2080 heatsink is capable of.

update: he mentined something about the memory speed being 2400 regardless of how much faster your ram is capable of due to something about how the CPU was connected to the memory through single sided/channel something about T type which caused the limitation to 2400. sorry that's the best my chinese can cope.

heat insulation is excellent, but cooling is not adequate possibly due to his 2070 heatsink. also he mentioned during the end of the video how well area-51m handle the desktop CPU which in his opinion if area-51m as a laptop cant handle, what else can? even a proper desktop has troubles handling 9900k at full turbo which can peak 200W, so it seems it's overall very impressive with the cpu performance for a laptop. GPU wise, easy peace of cake for area-51m to handle even 2080. AC can be plugged independantly regardless of which socket. 460W peak power consumption. the end

 

They didn't need to do all that to find that out. They could have just run winsat and instant 99C

 

he is using 2070 heatsink to cool 9900k+2080. he stressed that many times in the video. he wil be able to get proper 2080 heatsink after chinese new year to test.

 

BIG THANKS! Lets hope that a 2080 heatsink is a little bit better

 

It seems the GPU throttling issues have been resolved (yay) but now it's the CPU that throttles (boo), at least with the 9900K. Interestingly, I score a bit higher with my setup below in 3DMark tests but the bonus is this system seems to truly fit the bill of 'desktop replacement' so you don't have to be anchored to an AGA to game at Ultra.

 

So far then would it suggest that only the 2080 gets the superior heatsink?

 

I haven’t heard anything about burn in on the newer panels. I think it’s been Vastly improved. I have a B7 and two C8’S with thousands of hours and no burn in whatsoever yet. The gunmetal backpanel is sexy as fudge. Plus they put out much less heat than the LED equivalent.

 

yes

 

So if you get the 9700k with the 2080 you still get the better heatsink? Noooow I'm worried.

 

I was just doing some benchmarking on the SLI GTX 1080 at stock clocks, and the GPU power went as high as 213W (81°c), why is the RTX 2080 so limited on power? 180W seems low compared to the old 1080

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So the Area-51M

1710mhz boost clock

1860mhz max clock

Interesting to see it's using 9700K + 2070 heatsink. Wonder how much difference the other one would make.

Also looking at XTU it seems turbo power can be pushed higher? Don't know if it works though.

 

1: How do we know he is using a 9700K/2070 heat sink? I do not see one picture of this anywhere in that video
2: How is it he seems to have the only unit in existence that came with a 9700K/2070 heat sink? Since all the machines at CES where 9900K/2080 A51M?
3: If he took the time to swap cpus then where are the interior pictures?
4: if that is a factory unit, why would they send him a garbage unit for review? To make Dell look even worse?
Come now.....There are way to many things wrong with this whole video in general.


Now if his claims are true, then Dell went to CES with propaganda units on display! And the heat sink posted on the wall is a sham. When they told us that that was a 9900K/2080 heat sink setup.

So now that they find out it doesn't work. (which they should have found out long before launch) they are saying it's the wrong heat sink?

Time for me to see if Frank Azor will let me get one for testing.

A/C

 

Surely the weaker heatsink is only for 2060 and 8700??

 

If there's one thing I've learned over the years of consumerism is not to succumb to hype (good or bad) too early. Patience my friend, let the dust settle and see what remains...

 

Not sure why they would make a different heatsink other than to make more money off of consumers but then again look who we are talking about...

 

saw this tweet last Tuesday, anyone else see it or post it? As usual, when direct questions are asked, they find a way to give you the slip (no answer / half answers / lots of talking without saying much / loose ends remain untied). Feel free to tweet into that thread or start a new one (my tweet 2weeks ago went unanswered about the planning for heatsink configs)

Spoiler

As you see, 'rummaging around tends to confirm' that 2070 2080 HS are the same / 2060 HS is weakest, & the tweeter feels secure in a 2070 purchase later after having personally quizzed the GM & his Underling ... 'Thanks for looking into it, I plan to get the 2070 option once more display options are available, so good to know it won't be an issue if I decide to upgrade down the road', & neither employee follows up to suggest any different

Message? 2070 buyers are safe ...

Scary to think they have to rummage / pillage the office twisting screwdrivers instead of, say, fetching a hard-copy of the blueprint / roadmap that outlines which configs get which HS, nor am I convinced the question / answer has truly been settled given the video today that suggests 2070 may get the weaker one also ...

Spoiler: if I buy 2070?

Marathon Man 1976

Tough to say how a 2070 can be considered high-end (8pipes) & yet also an entry-config (no side exhaust)

Three Heatsinks​

• Top: 8pipes + side exhaust
• Mid: 8 pipes no side exhaust
• Entry: 7 pipes no side exhaust

 

Going to need him to take the machine apart to verify that.

 

In his video, he said that he has been playing with that engineering unit since last year November and has done countless disassembly. To be honest we don't know if he's telling the truth, I can only translate to a certain extent what he was talking about. From my point of view, I believe these guys always get to test and play engineering Alienware laptops. This is not the first time the same guy / channel has posted early testing videos and disassembly of Alienware laptops. They did the same for R4, R5, m15 etc..I'm sure pretty soon they will post disassembly video of area-51m. Again, just to stress, he said his unit is not final and it's an engineering sample which could be the reason why he had the 2070 heatsink in it otherwise he won't be able to specifically said 2080 heatsink is different in what way. The part that got me stoked was he said 2080 and 2070 heatsinks have the same number of heatpipes..The only difference is the additional exhaust for 2080. Never once he mentioned about smaller heatpipes on 2070 like what we saw in 1070 R4 model..

P/S Someone should really get them some good quality mics. Their voice is so soft I can hardly hear them without cranking the volume way up.

 

Well apparently that disassembly got lost. Because it was not of this unit he is constantly saying over and over that it's a lessor heat sink. And if you had it since November then he should have led with the internals first. This is only my opinion....

 

The max-q series is a joke! I feel sorry for people who will fall for this scam.



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He doesn't mention it, so he probably hasn't heard that the Gigarays throughput for the laptop RTX GPU's are vastly reduced, making the RTX 2080 mobile RT performance closer to a desktop 2060, dropping RT RT frame rates in half with RTX ON:
RTX arrives in laptops
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-173#post-10856786

Laptop 2060 / 2070 RT RT is even worse:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-174#post-10857135

 

It does look underpowered though its very early drivers at the moment. Seems like firestrike gives about 17000 and OC getting it to 20000. In other thread GE75 with its 2080 non-max getting 28000 OC and about 25000 standard.

 

Just wondering, are RTX 2080 for laptop using the lowest quality binned GPU? i've seen at least two clevo reviews showing minimal OC before crashing, both of which under 100MHz, more like 70MHz to be exact. how can this GPU OC so poorly? i can easily get 150MHz or more from GTX 1080 alienware R4 without crashing. What's going on here? Low quality binned GPU or power delivery circuit delivering insufficient power? let's hope this is just clevo GPUs.

 

Why immediately you're linking this to low- quality binning ?

It's most certainly tied to a lower voltage offset for the laptop GPUs, giving only a small room for OC. We'd need more tests with different voltage etc to know for sure.

 

My Oc'd 1080 can reach 225 watts on it's own. That's due the OC bios removing the power limit. Frank azor bragged about the 17 R4 being able to handle 180 watts, so AW had to come up with a unlocked vbios. But the the problems started. Containing 180 watts is much harder than 150, especially with GPU boost 3.0 auto overclocking your GPU when the thermals are good.

That spawned alot of people which already had problems with core imbalance, having 1080's drop utilization due overheating VRM's.

Those are in part cause of the shared heatsink bleeding the best from GPU to CPU

 

Or just power limited/ voltage limited to stop GPU boost 4.0 Ocing the card because maybe it's still an engineering sample. Of the chip would OC so bad, it wouldn't become a 2080 more a 2070 so it has a higher OC ceiling.

Until it's not in the hands of the consumer, there are so many more variables apart from a bad binned chip that could be the culprit. Not trying to talk bad performance good, but where are still premature with our judgements when the real deal hasn't been out yet (consumer machine not a Chinese engineering sample with some iffy iffy performance just like with the 17 R5 release)

 

I don't see you catching this clevo any time soon....

And it's still severely limited!

 

IF you can READ, i asked if this is low quality GPU bin OR power delivery circuit issue. this is open for discussion, not directly pointing at one specific cause. and unfortunately your theory is not correct too. prema got his GPU to OC way higher meaning the power delivery is not an issue but more of a low quality GPU bin

 

Maybe Prema got lucky with a good GPU bin. The rest of the clevos sure didnt make it that far.

 

Actually, that's a really good point - the possibility the mobile RTX GPU's are lower binned desktop components - as that might be the whole reason why the laptop RTX GPU's are clocked so low and so power limited.

It did seem odd that the RTX laptop GPU's are being so under driven, as they don't even get close to the 10 series performance in their underclocked underpowered specification for laptop's.

It might be that Nvidia needed a place for a large number of RTX GPU dies that wouldn't perform up to desktop specifications and by vastly lowering the clocks and power targets for mobile those RTX dies could be put to use.

Good call, thanks for mentioning it.

 

great minds think alike. i'm leaning towards this theory as well. otherwise why the nearly one month wait before lifting NDA on laptop rtx gpu? most likely to have enough time to collect poorly binned lowest quality GPU and throw it at the poor laptop buyers and charge them 2x as much

 

For starters, that's not Prema, it's mine. And there is no such thing as luck. Either you know what you are doing with the cards "you are dealt" or you don't.
The cards seem to be built rock solid, but that's not the problem. The problem is everyone seems to be scared of Nvidia. And that is the short version of the story.

 

haha.. i thought that was prema. but still, i have to disagree with u. u must be lucky one cos cpu/gpu lottery is something real, not a myth.

 

This is why i don't hold these conversations. denial seems real.
To many people making excuses for what they can't accomplish.....

 

seems to me you are hinting you are the only competant overclocker here. people like Jarrod'sTech have no idea how to OC his GPU.... hmmm....

 

No, i'm not the only competent overclocker here, i'm just the one that is ranked 1st in the world of laptop overclocking. And that is a fact.

 

congrates to u. but to the rest of the community who are potentially getting poorly binned rtx gpu, your personal one and only achievement doesnt mean much to the rest of us.

 

No, lets back up. You mean yourself and not the rest of the community. When you get a 2080 to test, then make judgement calls instead of speculations trying to pass off as facts. I already told you it has nothing to do with the parts themselves, it has to do with how Nvidia is regulating everything. There is already enough voltage for these cards. In fact, there is too much voltage for how they are set.

 

why dont you enlighten solid reviewers like Jarrod'sTech and show him and the rest of the world how OC is properly done so that he dont pass off "false" review to the rest of the world. until we get more reviews showing rtx 2080 can OC as high as your personal lucky GPU, Jarrod'sTech sounds a lot more credible than you boasting your own achievement.

 

Yeah, you sound ridiculous.

Moving on.

 

better than sounding pathetic boasting personal achievement and hinting at how incompetant others are compared to you. right. moving on.

 

Not others. Only you!