NEW!! Alienware Area-51M LAPTOP!! (to replace alienware 15 and 17)

Well, um....that is why I said "other than Clevo" since they still have laptops with socketed CPUs

 

im an enthusiast and i'd have to disagree with you there, just different standards.

imo they did it too little too late especially MSI have better cooling capacity and clevo has dual GPU option and unlocked bios. alienware's machine will be a nice upgrade for all the BGA owners right now but for MSI/clevo owners, it'll be a downgrade.

 

From my personal standpoint this new alienware laptop seems to be the exact laptop i was looking for. Currently i have a gt73, which unfortunately has a soldered laptop cpu, and the 1080 which arguably isnt too bad. However with a thunderbolt external gpu the next generation of gpu's can work although the laptop cpu itself will be somewhat of a limiting factor.

This new alienware that has a desktop cpu as well as the alienware graphics amp plug may be a very good solution as a i9 will continue to be relevant far longer than any laptop cpu, and the graphics amp will keep up with whatever desktop graphics is out there.

 

I wish I kept mine from my old alienware 17. Kinda regret not taking it off when I sold it.

 

so you accepted the compromise dell has given you, and willing to spend extra for external GPU going forward, thats fine and all, no guarantee they wont limit external GPU either and that might come soon heh.

 

That is not exactly correct. It was actually like 6 years later, not when they were acquired by Dell. Dell actually made Alienware much better than they were before, then they acquired brain cancer and shifted to BGA filth. They made the best of the best for a good while though, dramatically improving on what Alienware used to offer (which were Clevos with fancy paint jobs, kind of like FalconNW, although not quite that elaborate on the painting).

The M15x, M17xR1, M17xR2, M18xR1, M18xR2, Alienware 17 (Ranger) and, to a slightly lesser extent the Alienware 18 (Viking), were all amazing. These were all industry-leading monsterbooks built with a metal chassis and they ran like banshees. They blew away anything offered by Clevo or any other brand until @Prema fixed the cancer firmware on the P570WM and unleashed the performance on the angry X79 Mega-Beast. That happened right about the time that Alienware started circling the drain.

The Alienware 18 (Viking) had some issues with pretty major gimping, so it's with some reluctance I included that one on the list, but at that point their heart was no longer into delivering awesomeness any more. Otherwise, those were all unrivaled world class awesome product thanks to the way Dell used to be. After the 2013 product launch everything unraveled and turned to crap with their move to castrated BGA garbage.

@Raidriar

 

As someone who has owned MSi and Clevo dtrs, I can firmly say they have their own set of compromises and tradeoffs. Especially with this thing not released (or even out of final development) you cannot say that it is a downgrade across the board.

Also I like how everyone knows how the cooling is going to preform.

 

Ah, you beat me to it. Although, it was before 2009. It believe it was 2007. I purchased an XPS M1730 that was a lemon (around 12 NBD in-home warranty dispatches in 3 months - literally) and they swapped it out for an M17xR2 in the early part of 2009. I bought the M1730 in December of 2007 and had a hard time deciding between the M17xR1 and the M1730, both of which were available for purchase on the Dell web site.

Fun fact: @cookinwitdiesel was known by a different forum name back then and found his claim to fame among us old timers with his chest freezer benching antics.

Alienware 17 (Ranger) and Alienware 18 (Viking) were released near the end of Q2-2013. Those were the last respectable products they offered. Before pulling the plug on their last good machines they offered a 980M GPU refresh, a year or so later, but nothing to write home about. (And, @Prema helped fix some issues with that for the 18, since Dell did a half-assed job of it.)

@Ultra Male got screwed by Alienware about that time. He bought a fully decked out Viking with all the bells and whistles on the assumption it would be as awesome as the M18xR2. It wasn't.

Edit: Alienware | Wikipedia

Overview
Established in 1996 as Sakai of Miami, Inc. by Nelson Gonzalez and Alex Aguila, Alienware assembles desktops, notebooks, workstations, and PC gaming consoles.[7][8][9] According to employees, the name "Alienware" was chosen because of the founders' fondness for the hit television series The X-Files, which also inspired the science-fiction themed names of product lines such as Area-51, Hangar 18, and Aurora.[10] In 1997, it changed its name to Alienware.

Acquisition and current status
Dell had considered buying the Alienware company since 2002, but did not agree to purchase the company until March 22, 2006.[11][12] The new subsidiary retains control of its design and marketing while benefiting from Dell's purchasing power, economies of scale, and supply chain, which lowered its operating costs.[12]

Initially, Dell maintained its competing XPS line of gaming PCs, often selling computers with similar specifications, which may have hurt Alienware's market share within its market segment.[13][14] Due to corporate restructuring in the spring of 2008, the XPS brand was scaled down, and the Desktop line was eliminated leaving only the XPS Notebooks.[14] Product development of gaming PCs was consolidated with Dell's gaming division, with Alienware becoming Dell's premier gaming brand.[15][16] On June 2, 2009, The M17x was introduced as the first Alienware/Dell branded system. This launch also expanded Alienware’s global reach from 6 to 35 countries while supporting 17 different languages.[17]​

 

many people speak from their experience alone and thats it, not understanding the details of it. i donno you so i won't make too much assumption here but yes, we do know how the cooling is going to perform and that is because we have data and knowledge about size of heatsink.

people like @Papusan @Mr. Fox and many others who i didn't name won't really need to get the actual machine to know how it'll perform, because heatsink design wise all laptops are related.

since you got evoc logo, you should know this very well too. 125% tdp will be the limit of what dell will likely give us, anymore u'll need to look for a binned chip.

 

I'm not for or against buying this thing (Until I see some #s/Results from production models). I just feel like people a though around some many generalities and assumptions. Somehow Dellienware has become the bad guy and is releasing a DOA product when it has stated they are still in development and won't release till end of Jan.

There are a lot of depending factors, but at this size, Heatsink is like 65-75% of laptop cooling solution. The rest is Airflow.

They are giving 136W for CPU... which is okayish. I wouldn't recommend more than an i7-9700K in any laptop DTR (124W at full load). I'd expect any overcocking enthusiast wouldn't even touch this till BIOS gets modded anyway.

You have to remember it took a ton of effort from the community until Clevo's and MSi machines could be properly tweaked and considered enthusiast machines. Development from @Prema, @Eurocom, and @Mr. Fox among others. I expect no different here.

 

i find the dell and any big corp to be the bad guys, cause ultimately we have to deal with our wallet

136w can be easily exceeded by my 6 cores at 5ghz doing video encoding, it'll be enough for like 8 cores at 4.4ghz though, kinda kill joy going from 5 to 4.4ghz.

i do agree on the community done a lot of work to improve on clevo machines, basically clevo is "fixable" i guess? while dell is hard limit, and can't even get unlocked bios on it is just a big joke.

 

Where are you getting that number? Last I saw, Dell said 125% of TDP. The 9900K is 95W, so 125% is 118.75W. So, not only would an overclocking enthusiast not touch it, a purist that does not believe in overclocking but is competent with elementary school mathematics probably won't want it because the numbers tell us that it will not run well without overclocking.

Here is the problem: Intel measures TDP at base (non-turbo) clocks. So, 9900K is 95W TDP without Turbo Boost. In turbo mode it draws more than 120W with stock multipliers under full load, and a poorly binned sample will require more voltage and draw even more watts. The warmer it gets, the more voltage it needs, and the more watts it will draw. So, if they changed their mind and decided to give another 18W or so (136W using your number) that is still just barely adequate for stock with a cherry-picked sample. But, they're doing an awful lot of marketing blabbering about overclocking, LOL. They're either lying, or they simply don't know what they're talking about (of which the latter is equally probable). I mean c'mon bro... overclocking has never been their forte, even before they went Nazi on us with the gimping that started shortly before the BGA STDs kicked in. Even when they were selling amazing products, their "Level 1-3" BIOS preset overclocking profiles absolutely sucked. You had to do it using manual settings and an SVL7 unlocked BIOS if you wanted anything to work right.

Unless somebody knows where to source replacement PCH chips and has BGA soldering tools, having an unlocked BIOS will be out of the question. Unsigned firmware flashing is blocked by the PCH chip (BootGuard) and you cannot even sledgehammer the firmware with an SPI programmer. So, chances are pretty good this is going to be a perma-gimped novelty product. That's why I keep saying the best we can hope for is that Clevo and MSI view it as a threat and take decisive action to release better (non-BGA) options with none of the gimping nonsense that they are also famous for. If that doesn't happen, notebook land will remain the domain of zombie gamer kids and turdbook lovers that don't know what they don't know and are content drinking the urine-flavored BGA Kool-Aid.

 

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OK, so that's good. They were mistaken and there is a tiny bit more power on tap than originally stated. That being the case, if you do well enough in the silicon lottery to get an average bin quality for 9900K, then there is a chance it will hold stock turbo clocks as long as it doesn't get too hot. Definitely better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Now I know where Brother @ThatOldGuy got that number from. Thanks for sharing.

It remains to be seen if XTU will have the ability to temporarily override the power limits. Depends on whether Dell does anything else to cripple it and limit XTU's BIOS access. If it does actually work, and they do not block it, chances are the XTU settings (or ThrottleStop) will have to be manually applied every time you load Windows to get anything even slightly better than stock performance.

 

They didn’t answer my question about current limits and XTU so that is yet to be seen on production models.

Apperently Intel spec is 95W TDP, 119W PL1 (turbo boost) and I guess 136W is the peak needed for turbo clocks.

AW however is calling this OC. I’m just assuming it’ll be enough to keep turbo clocks indefinitely.

 

@ssj92 , nice that they both replied to you.

 

All they have to do is increase the second core by 1 multiplier bin, or 1 multiplier bin on core 0 and they can "legally" call it overclocking... even though the multi-core turbo boost remains unchanged from stock. That's just marketing baloney, even though it avoids grounds for false advertising based on a technicality. The net result is stock performance unless you are running a single core/single thread benchmark. I don't remember ever meeting anyone else that cared about that or viewed it as legitimate overclocking. It's simply marketing magic designed to avoid a lawsuit.

Whether or not it is safe to assume it will hold turbo clocks indefinitely will depend on what they do (on purpose or through ignorance) with BIOS defaults other than PL1/PL2, and what kind of EC cancer ends up lurking in the shadows. If they put cancer in the EC to limit total system power draw (as they already have done before) having unlimited TDP won't matter. The CPU performance will be capped based on total system power draw, which is equally diabolical. The EC power limit is actually more sinister, because having the GPU under load simultaneously with the CPU will cause system power limit throttling. That problem is very challenging to correct and neither XTU nor ThrottleStop have the capability of fixing stupid.

We're not being negative with the doubts. We're simply drawing conclusions based on past behavior and judging the tree by its fruit. If we got lemons in the last harvest, chances are pretty good we will have some lemons in the next harvest. Clevo and MSI have been guilty of the same firmware debauchery and it required @Prema's best efforts to exorcise those demons.

 

I completely agree about the battery. It baffles me when the battery is such a big consideration when buying a gaming laptop. I just don't get it. For one, it brings about very unrealistic expectations to be able to game fully on battery with a 2080 for example lol. What do people expect?

Many of us would much rather have the battery as the very least important thing on a gaming laptop or DTR. Period. It's irrelevant, because laptops are plugged in when gaming for most people.

I'm sure Clevo and MSI will answer to this, but remember that the QC will not be there as those two have never had QC in their DNA.

In regard to the 870, it wasn't just about the speakers or keyboard. The QC and entire unit itself was below average. What you're paying for when buying a Clevo is purely hardware, but for most people if that is the intent and case, building a desktop is a much more wiser choice.

The thing is, most people who buy high end laptops (from my own data) buy it just to have it, when a desktop would suit them just as well, if not better.

The practical ports on my LG Gram 15 even puts a lot of laptops to shame lol. It's crazy isn't it? I just don't get the short cuts of the majority of these ODM's... why? Just why? We need ports people (yes you at the companies.)

There is a time and place for all form factors. As I keep saying, for the majority a desktop would be a much wiser choice, but for those who actually need portability have a lot to choose from.

You have to also keep in mind that there are plenty of bga based laptops from several brands that hold their own. In ratio to the form factor and its power limits, if you do the math, the gpu and cpu scores of some bga machines are more impressive % wise than a clunky DTR that is expected to perform at its intended level.

Also, keep in mind that power limits don't mean everything. One does not need to have the biggest and baddest to have a good enjoyable gaming experience. Having a DTR machine that can display high bench numbers doesn't necessarily make it a better gaming machine when you weigh in all the reality, such as practicality, price, portability, weight, build quality, warranty, customer support etc...

In terms of entry level machines, the build quality (speakers, track pad, keyboard, fit and finish, material etc..) of what you get with the higher end Clevo's is laughable, which I'm always curious why that fact is always left out in these friendly debates. It's literally worse than a sub $100 chrome book from wally world.

A college student that needs a laptop for school and casual gaming does not need a DTR. That is impractical. Period.

Enthusiasts / Professionals who actually travel, need portability and all the demanding power can benefit from a DTR. That is practical. However, when it comes to gaming and even professional work loads (rendering, editing etc...) anything a DTR can do can be achieved on a bga based machine that is much smaller in form factor. So when you weigh in practicality into the equation, a DTR's practicality becomes very small for the niche crowd of folks, which often turns out to be those who bench like with guys like us.

It'll be pricey for sure, but keep in mind that even current MXM cards are pricey as well. I'm really curious how AW/Dell will price the gpu upgrade options... It shall be interesting. When the prices do come out, just a reminder for folks to also realize how much current MXM cards are... it's all relative.

Build quality and overall quality is a very important factor for most people. What you've said is correct... there is a time and place for all the options that you've mentioned.

I want to keep emphasizing the point (supporting what you've said) in that one does not need a heavy ugly poorly built DTR to get a good gaming experience. Several laptops out there can bring that good solid gaming experience to the end user.

I also agree that if someone is wanting to go all out and OC/Bench etc... then a Desktop is a no brainer if numbers is all the user is after.

As someone who has also owned several Clevo lines, I can attest to the fact that the upper end Clevo's are very poor in quality as you've mentioned. It's just facts.

You do hit a good point as well, which also supports what I've been saying all along in that, for the majority who buy DTR's they would be much better off with a desktop and a cheaper laptop, because literally 9 out of 10 people from my data alone, never really games outside of their home/office/room etc... For the price they paid for the DTR, they could have built a desktop + a travel gaming laptop.

I can also confirm from owning several MSI's that the speakers stomp Clevo in every way... Even the speakers on my LG Gram 15 (yes I'm being serious lol) in the high - mid range sound better than the upper end Clevo's. It's just a fact.

I too am curious about the BIOS.... fingers crossed...

Nice explanation. There definitely is a need for something like this for people like you who actually need it.

I'd like to point out that with the newer gen laptops, a DTR isn't necessary to achieve a machine that can handle work + gaming. If you need CPU power, the 8950HK is a really good chip and you could render/edit til the cows come home with that np. Gaming experience wise, the choices are plentiful, but if you're actually doing 4K gaming, the 2080 in a laptop would suit you well and bring you all that you need..

I've had a blast with the GT73... soldered or not, it was pulling some very respectable numbers. I particularly like MSI MXM cards a lot...they are very strong.

I agree... It's surprising to see some people completely trash a brand or laptop, when there are way more faults of their own. There are surely compromises to every brand...no company is perfect, but people don't seem to get that.

In terms of the "know it all's," what surprises me the most is that they are wrong more than anything, while never even having owned the system to properly tune it / mod it for it to preform near or at its potential. That's just silly, but people like that will always be there in the dark dark web....

... leading off from my response above, there is some truth to what you've said, but I can confirm from actually having owned many systems, testing them, modding them, benching them etc... that there is more to a system than just the size of the heat sink / pipe. Sure the obvious are the obvious, however there are much more engineering factors that need to be accounted for such as the use of air flow paths, case compartment design, tolerances to where the fins meet the heat pipe, overall design etc...

Ex. The AW17R4 when properly modded / repasted etc... cools better than it should, even with its smaller heat pipes, fans etc... Compare that to something like the upper end MSI or ASUS machines with bigger pipes, heat plate, etc... in ratio if you do the math and calculate it percentages, the bigger (approach) laptops should be cooling much more if you apply the numbers of what the smaller / tighter laptops achieve. Therefore, it's all relative to the design and there are many variables over just how big the heat pipe is.

Another Example is like with the GPU on the Asus vs AW (1080's) ... Both can reach over 210W+, but have different GPU temp numbers at the same CPU clock speeds etc... due to the design and all the factors mentioned above.

It just depends, so while we can look at something and speculate, the problem I have is that most people who do never have even driven the car is judging it like they've actually driven it. It's all speculation until we see actual real world, hands on testing...

Oh another thing is that a lot of people don't understand "efficiency," and never take that into account when it comes to the reality of things.

Just because something has a 957349257924835439587W TDP, doesn't mean that it's necessarily better or efficient. It's all about efficiency. True enthusiasts should know this already... like when we tune a cpu at 5.3GHz, we're not sitting there trying to achieve the highest wattage lol. It's the complete opposite.

Ex. The AW17R4 with the 7820HK is "technically," on paper rated at 45W, which we all know is just paper data... We also know that it can reach much higher than that. I've clocked it at 5.1GHz as shown in my signature.

Anyhow, I could go for days... but I've written a book already. Cheers to all ... And boy you guys write fast! I come back to the desk and bam....several pages already. LOL

 

I did not know you that you had purchased a P870. I thought you had a P775, which is grossly inferior by every measurement you mentioned and that is an apples versus oranges comparison. The P870 was a better product than any Alienware laptop I have owned. The only thing not amazing about it was the plastic shell. If you did own a P870, you are using a different measuring stick than I am. I never missed anything about any Alienware I had owned or used/tested after acquiring my first of three P870 monsterbooks. Everything about the P870 was superior except for the ordinary (not horrible) keyboard.

I am not bashing Alienware. I am excited about the changes they have made (LGA and modular GPU) with this pre-release product, but I think it is important for people to not forget all of the nonsense they are recently famous for. Nobody should expect the changes in hardware to magically fix the rest of the behaviors that have given them a bloody nose and two black eyes from their former customer base that were "alienated" by the nonsense. Forgiveness is freely given, but trust has to be earned. They have not earned it yet. We have to wait and see if they eventually will. It's up to them to do it. Concept alone won't cut it. Results are pending.

 

We can agree to disagree, but the mouse pad, keyboard, speakers, tolerance levels and overall build quality of the P870 is nowhere at the level of systems that cost much less. In fact, the P870 was the only laptop that I got rid off immediately due to being frustrated with its build quality and quality in general. To be clear, I'm not talking about the hardware here. This has nothing to do with the P775. Hardware wise, yes the P870 is superior, but from purely a QC stand point, I'd even take the P775 over the P870 as I have found it to be much better IMO, which is derived from having worked on many Clevo's across the board from high to low.

What I am looking forward to is how Clevo and others will respond to a mainstream company like AW/Dell's RESURRECTION of what made gaming laptops so great to begin with... With all the numbers and details aside, the very fact that the Area 51M is in existence is a very good thing...

We like the industry to be shook to its core to where it forces companies to respond with things that we want.... Perhaps this is just the beginning....

Now we'll leave the floor to Clevo, MSI, ASUS, heck even HP to see how they will respond to this....

 

In all honestly, I would much prefer a nicely binned 8700K, better yet an 8086K in a DTR over the 9900K, especially for gaming.

Right now the big question we have yet to see is that BIOS... if they pull through with this, major kudos.

 

The lack of 1440p or at least IPS ... and the two power supplies... are really the only things giving me pause to order this once it goes up.

I have a Surface Book 2 my work provides me when I'm on the road; and I have a MBP for my personal thin-and-light travel buddy. I have a gaming desktop long in the tooth that needs replacing, but I'd like to go to my friend's house and game or the occasional LAN two or three times a year with ease - and this machine fits the bill. If I can snag the 9990K and 2080 for under $4K (with my own upgrade to 32GB+ RAM) I think I'm in. Curious to see how pricing unfolds.

 

Yeah, I guess we use different measuring sticks. I like style, but I never value style over substance and I found nothing objectionable about the P870 quality. You're among a small minority that think it is not a good product based on the measuring stick you like to use.

I agree with the other comments about what Alienware used to be and what kind of response we would like to see from their competitors. This is a golden opportunity for Clevo and MSI to demonstrate why they are superior, and they need to if they don't want to be hurt by it.

I am pretty sour on all things mobile now and do not have much tolerance for any of the compromises any more. No matter what any of them do, no matter how great, I will not be spending any of my money on mobile. I am OK with my $349 refurbished HP ZBook 15 for web and email (beats using a crappy smartphone) someplace other than sitting at my desk, because everything that I actually want to do is done with my no-compromise desktop. I don't think there is any laptop anywhere capable of meeting my expectations any more, and I doubt there ever will be.

That is a nice example of using a different measuring stick. I am not a gamer. Yes, I play games and really enjoy it when I do if it falls into a genre that I actually like. But, that is a minor side benefit that I can live happily without doing. Overclocked benching is where I derive my greatest pleasure. My time spent gaming is eclipsed by overclocked benching by about a 5:1 ratio, perhaps even less than 5:1 ratio.

All the niceness and fancy schmancy stuff in the world is going to be for naught and utterly worthless to me if I cannot do what I want to with the overclocking. Limitations simply piss me off and make me hate the whole product.

 

"The processor has also compared in Cinebench R15 versus the Core i9-9900K at stock frequency and the 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen scored 2057 points at 133.4W (max) while the Core i9-9900K with the same 8 core and 16 thread configuration scored 2040 points at179.9W (max)."

AMD(Zen 2) version? lol

 

Ryzen does a great job running stock. Where it fails is when overclocking is factored into the equation. Ryzen is great and offers good value to those that don't care about overclocking. It would be silly to pay more for Intel if one doesn't care.

 

Nobody talks about battery while gaming. People want to have the possibility to actually have long batterylife on the go when writing stuff, surfing etc. This was very possibly with the mux solutions or optimus (which admitively is poop imo). Hence it's NOT irrelevant at all. A Notebook is a notebook, if you want to have something small you can setup, then an ITX build will destroy any notebook out there.

Also the BGA to LGA performance difference is something I also agree on, a 8750H notebook with a 1070 won't be noticably faster than a GTX 1070 8700K notebook.

yeah I agree, powerlimit is not everything, but some notebooks are just to heavily nerfed. For instance the GTX 1070 Maq Q cards are choking to much, however the GTX 1070 115W versions are spot on, perfect balance between power and performance.

Also nice to see another person here in the forums who tries tons of notebooks and has common sense

 

True, wish more details like the base/turbo clocks were disclosed. Might be able to clock higher(if it can overclock lol) than the 9900K if the power consumption is that much better, and likely for cheaper

 

It should be possible to start with a moderate CPU and add a higher end one later if Dell opens up the tdp down the road. We should have that flexibility for the first time in a while.

It will also be interesting to see how Dell prices the different CPU options since they are readily available in the real world too.

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Well, one thing is for sure... there is NO downside to having a socketed desktop CPU and a modular GPU even if neither one has any overclocking headroom. That's a huge win for any machine to have that instead of BGA. It's so much better to be able to replace what you need or want to replace, whenever you want, for whatever reason you want to, without having to swap a motherboard and pay extra for the attached components that you don't want or need. That's just a no-brainer right there.

 

There is a major difference... All you get from Dell is fully locked firmware (goodbye firmware modding). And from what I have read... Azor said their engineers work hard time tune fan speed in this model for lowest possible noise. And we all know how screwed up firmware is and with almost no tweaking in the Alienwares.

 

The same Dell engineers who thought cycling the XPS 15 9570 fans on and off every couple of seconds was a good idea?

 

We can measure it against this.

 

The harmonic resonance was a special feature. It helped with insomnia, too. And, they didn't even charge extra for that. What swell guys, eh?

 

9900k @ 4.7 ghz on all cores @ 1.20v bios (LLC Turbo) draws 135W in cinebench (VRM true vcore measurement=1.156v).

Good luck, guys.

 

That's only Cinebench in an AVX test it will draw 170-180W...at least it would want to

 

There is something I do not really understand since so far I did not really follow AW until now.

This laptop has a 510W adapter (330+180) and this is NOT enough (?!) and thus AW allows it to draw power from the battery , but when the battery drops to 20% the laptop will power throttle ?!
Did I just understand this correctly ?
Because If I do then it seems to me AW can't build an energy efficient laptop.

I do not wish to defend Clevo but how the hell can Clevo solve the power issue for a 9900k+rtx2080 with 1x 330W adapter but AW can't with 510W?!
Or Clevo is/will be a power throttling mess from the start and AW will be only a throttling mess after 1--3 hour of gaming (when battery reaches 20%)?

 

Where is everyone seeing this battery draw stuff from?

 

More claims from Dell:




Can't wait for the real world benchmarks. If that desktop processor and that 2080 performs anywhere near 80% of its max capacity, I'm all in. I need something in this form factor for my travels. I can't build a desktop even if I wanted to because I move around a lot.

If this hardware hits the thermal limits like it's last generation counterparts hitting 99° consistently and people around these parts justifying such temps to be "well within the thermal limits", I'm done with AW as a whole. Can't wait around no more.
MSI GT75 all the way then. It does have a sweet keyboard too which I might miss if I buy this AW A51M.

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Well actually it's form-factor is from a laptop , but it's marketed as a desktop replacement, not laptop. And as we know, desktops don't have battery's.

 

their only saving grace is the possibility of swapping out for a better binned chip. aside from that, that GPU form factor looks like pure cancer, at least theres a tiny bit of hope because its dell and they usually have a ton of parts flowing around.

honestly these are the only "good" thing i can think of, kinda sad.

 

They actually where acquired by Dell in 2006, and they stopped in 2013, cause the 17 R with the 4700mq and the gtx 800 series where mxm. But they switched to BGA AFTER Dell bought them. I did not say "immediately after Dell bought them" so my comment still holds the truth

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/del...gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-17-area51m-laptop

New Alienware Area-51M Gaming "Laptop"

As far as we know "laptops" have batteries.

 

That's marketing: https://www.google.com/amp/s/ventur...ea-51m-desktop-replacement-gaming-laptop/amp/

That it has batteries is so people can change rooms without it turning off immediately, but not for portability. They haven't put in a battery so people can go with their DTR to star bucks or so. Besides using this on battery will probably destroy it much faster, than it would degrade like a normal battery. Too many components that want raw power. Idle is fine.

 

Bruh it's okay, just accept it's a laptop. Don't understand why all of y'all keep bashing the battery. Don't like the battery go mini ITX.

I've owned
Alienware M18x/M18xR2/AW 18
Clevo P570WM (10-core 2680 v2 + 970M)
Clevo P870DM (6700K + 980 / 6700K + 980M SLI)
Clevo P870DM3 (7700K + 1080 SLI)

all of which are "laptops" and have batteries. And yes I've actually taken them to school and used them as laptops. No issue with battery degrading worse than a normal laptop.

The Clevo's lasted around 1 1/2 to 2 hours on battery. Maybe my room is 2 hours away.
Alienwares lasted 3-4 hours (I can get 5 hours on my current M18xR2 with lower brightness but max brightness gets me 3 1/2 hours)

Don't give me any BS of only idling. I used them on battery perfectly fine stressing the CPU. GPU is another story since it throttles down.

@Raidriar @Rengsey R. H. Jr.

 

Dell still have that problem? The L502X did that 7 years ago.

 

Yeah that was what I was saying. The form factor is from a laptop, have you used it on you lap though ? And WOULD you use it on your lap ? Right. The form factor is a laptop, not the machine itself. Laptops can be used for long periods of time on your lap, even though they shouldn't be used like that

 

It did in November 2018, returned it before the return period was over, it was too annoying when you're in a quiet area especially with the coil whine my unit had. Had other problems too I don't know what the engineers there do lol

 

I'm literally typing to you on my Alienware M18xR2 in bed, with it on my lap. 12lb laptop...LOL

I'm probably the 0.01% though.

 

Me 2 but I reckon you won't start a game or benchmark on it.

 

I've actually done both in bed LOL. I don't normally play with a controller though. Here you can see on battery power CPU runs fine.

For gaming obviously need the AC adapter plugged in but just like any laptop you can plug it in wherever and even use it in bed.

I have six different places I am every week so a gaming laptop like this is a must. Even use it as a HDMI monitor (it has built in HDMI IN) for my Nintendo Switch.

They seriously don't make them like they used to. Kinda why I got rid of my Clevo P870DM3.

BTW I don't want people to get the wrong idea. It's not good to game like this. What I do is use something like a hard textbook under the laptop to keep it well ventilated.