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    My temps r way too good 17 r4

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by ashknani, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. ashknani

    ashknani Notebook Consultant

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    Hello everyone I received my laptop 3 days ago and temps r just amazing without repaste , I undervolted the cpu to .150 and my max cpu temps r 66c and gpu in a hot environment is 69c so i dont know about u guys but now im very certain that the issue is not from the heatsink or else why would my cpu without repaste and none of the performance mode for the fans are on , the laptop is very quite no heat issues at all why ? i dont really know , I even bought many stuff according to the things iunlock and others said and I would really love someone explaining to me why im getting really low and nice temps, furthermore, I would like to know few things first, Do i have to format the laptop and put clean win 10 if so would that help me get better fps in games ? 2nd in overwatch it happens like every 10 games a sudden lag for about a second then goes away not sure why, third should i use the thermal pads, kryonaut, and the stuff I bought or should i keep it the same coz im not really sure that I really need to use them now and the last thing does anyone know an ez tutorial how to activate the kboost to get better performance for my gpu ??

    my specs :
    120hz g-sync
    6700hq
    1070gtx
    16gb ram ddr4 2400mhz
    240w adapter

    I would really appreciate any help from the experts such as iunlock :D now that my laptop is really good without any issues i need to get the most out of it in gaming and for the guys who will ask about the g-sync while playing overwatch yes but i dont know why the lag comes every now and then

    thanks all <3
     
  2. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It is possible you may have received a unit with issues addressed. When was the order placed?

    There are reports of people claiming that Dell tells them their orders are being delayed due to these issues (for them to be addressed in the next batch).
     
  3. ashknani

    ashknani Notebook Consultant

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    I have ordered on 8 Nov from BestBuy it arrived to me 3 days ago I used something like fowarding packages company to bring it to my country. thats the weird thing my order was way back it shouldve had all these issues but I have encountered none Im perfectly happy with it
     
  4. Mobius 1

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    Games don't really stress CPU though. Maybe Battlefield 1 and The Division would produce a more realistic CPU load.
     
  5. J.Dre

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    Yeah, that's true as well. Games don't usually utilize 100% of the CPU or GPU. The programs people are running push the system to its limit.
     
  6. Arvindr56789

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    By any chance do you live in India..?

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
     
  7. ashknani

    ashknani Notebook Consultant

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    Nop
     
  8. ashknani

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    I did xtu stress test max temp were 67c
     
  9. Vasudev

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    In a hot humid weather conditions, the stock paste has fantastic ;) performance. Even XTU stress test produces temps of 69-75C with undervolting.
     
  10. Cobra99

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    What bios are you running?

    Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk
     
  11. Mobius 1

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    I thought in india curry is used as thermal paste? :D




    @Cobra99 - ok for real tho, 1.0.6 and 1.0.8 has some crap power limitation with the CPU that artificially lower temp
     
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    Run OCCT for 10 minutes and you'll get a more accurate idea of your max CPU temps. As for the GPU, yea even stock paste it runs very cool. Doesn't go beyond low 60s for me.
     
  13. ashknani

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    1.08
     
  14. ashknani

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    In a cold weather I got max temp of 62c for cpu
     
  15. tayer

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    Your numbers are Dell lies because 1.08 purposely cripples the system from reaching it's full potential.
     
  16. ashknani

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    So ur saying Im a liar ?
     
  17. tayer

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    No. I said, "Dell lies"... everyone knows 1.08 cripples your system, which is a band-aid BIOS so your system underperforms.
     
  18. ashknani

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    but the core clock is the same how would that cripple the system and if so do u recommend that I use an older bios ? and plz would u read my questions and answer what u can coz everyone seemed to be interested about the temps and no one reas my questions x.x
     
  19. tayer

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    BIOS 1.08 cripples your system. The heating issue is not software related, it's hardware related (e.g., use of thermal toothpaste, poor heatsink design, etc.)

    Dell decided to ship all current systems with 1.08 because it forces your rig to underperform, so you won't experience heating issues.

    BIOS 1.02 is said to be the one that allows your rig to be what it was designed to be, but I don't recommend you go backward because you can brick your rig if you don't know what you're doing.

    Check out iunlock's thread regarding the issue. Dell has yet to fix the hardware related issues, which is the actual cause of the heating issues.
     
  20. rinneh

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    1.08 pr not doesnt matter much. if the individual core temps are similar without a huge gap it still means the heatsink at least is fixed.
     
  21. tayer

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    There not all in range because Dell has yet to fix the heatsink. They simply cripple your rig with 1.08 to keep all cores from throttling. I believe I've seen one rig with all cores in range, but then his rig completely died and had to be shipped back.
     
  22. rinneh

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    I have seen various now with normal in range core temps. So as long if they are grouped togerher without a 10c+ difference i'd say the heatsink is mounted properly.
     
  23. ashknani

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    how about i do a test and we will all know ?? im gonna do rise of tombraider benchmark
     
  24. tayer

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    @iunlock believes there's a limiter built in 1.08, which essentially cripples your rig.

    The heatsink isn't mounted properly due to poor design, which is the reason for all of this - including Dell's toothpaste.

    I have no idea why this is even up for debate. We have people here on NBR that are doing the legwork and currently repairing rigs for members. BIOS 1.08 is deceptive, and Dell has not resolved the heatsink issue. They are pushing this BIOS on all current rigs, but have not fixed the actual issue.
     
  25. rinneh

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    I am known with iUnlock his work. But the heatsink mounting is only an issue regarding pressure not by its design itself. Uneven heatsinks are there for a long time. IN those cases often causes because 1 of the springs lacks tension compared to the other ones. These legs are in this case the springs. If they reinforced the springs now for more pressure it would be fixed.

    Again Bios 1.08 does not fix the uneven core temps. It lowers the overall temp. So if this machine of this user has good core temps without a 10c+ gap it would be safe to assume that in his case the heatsink is not the issue.

    Too many people hear just talk the thing that others said and stick with it without even checking up exactly why and what it would mean. I was one of the first in iUnlock his thread talking about uneven pressure. Since I had it on my heatsink on a previous AW15 model. In the end I suspected it to be uneven pressure as well. Which I fixed by the way with a new heatsink.

    If you check some various heatsinks you often see that the screw holes are not symetral on many designs, then variances in spring tensions, tolerances in the straightness of the heatpipes which also cause force on those springs are a recipe for core temp differences anyway. So I do think it is slightly overblown to begin with. But now people are actually paying attention to it. My past 5 machines all has some core temp variances after repasting. 10c + is too much though. That needs to be fixed no matter what.
     
  26. ashknani

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    I did benchmark for rise of tomb raider with maxed out settings highest core temp was 65c and lowest 58c and I got average of 57fps
     
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    Bios 1.08 cripples your machine... guess you can rule out OC unless you stick with 1.02 forever.

    Pushing out gimped firmware that lowers the CPU power footprint doesn't address the issue when you essential marginalize the performance of the machine and output core temps that are not representative of the rig's design. This is not a software issue (you can down-clock such yourself), this is an unaddressed hardware and design issue and a toothpaste free-for-all.

    Have a good night.
     
  28. rinneh

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    7c core difference is acceptable. but i would recommend you to run XTU stress test for 15min at least. check the core temps there. some cores can spike. but if the average is good. then dont worry too much.
     
  29. iunlock

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    I'd highly recommend running OCCT for at least an hour.

    Yes, BIOS 1.0.6 and 1.0.8 just cripple your machine so the temps that people are seeing are basically misleading because the chips are not running at their full potential. ie... What good is a GTX 1080 when it is crippled? Just the name? I've shown a lot of evidence how an over clocked 1070 can run neck to neck, or even exceed that of a base line GTX 1080 and also at a lower power consumption. Shame on Dell.
     
  30. ashknani

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    I did stress test XTU like rinneh said for 15min the max cpu temp was 58c , what ur advise to me then if the bios 1.0.8 cripple and could u please tell me how to overclock the gtx 1070 some ppl r saying kboost or something but it seems to be way too complicated to do :(
     
  31. ashknani

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    my temp in the stress test were lower than tomb raider benchmark the temps in stress test were 58c max
     
  32. Cobra99

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    What type of performance numbers are you getting. If I'm not mistaken these have to align(good temps and high nunbers) to really say everything is good.

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  33. ashknani

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    Ur not making any sense ... I dont know what u need to know..
     
  34. Mobius 1

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    Because games don't stress the CPU as much as XTU stress or OCCT.
     
  35. ashknani

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    Im telling u my temps while benchmarking rise of tomb raider were higher than doing the stress test.. it should be the opposite of what u said
     
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    Ah

    The CPU and GPU is loaded at the same time when using game (3D load).

    Are you using dGPU or optimus mode?
     
  37. ashknani

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    Its the g-sync panel so its only the dgpu activated