Laptop Cooler Thread

I have been looking around for a laptop cooler that would accommodate a 17.3 AW17R3 and realized I have not seen a topic on this in some time.
I have noticed that many laptop coolers they things like (fits 15" - 17") however when it comes to the 17" it barely makes it. In many of those cases our 17.3" laptop hangs off the sides way too much.

So please post information on suggested laptop coolers and coolers that are not suggested.

Edit: The HAVIT HV-F2056 is a solid inexpensive laptop but its too small for the 17R3 and it seems to slide off.
Rubber feet would either need to be added to the laptop or the top of the cooler. So this one is going back!
I'm now going to try the HV-F2063

 

a cooler to blow dust directly to my fans .... :/ no, i pass. Is better to do a repaste with some high end thermal paste and put something on the back of you lap to let enter fresh air ... nothing better than that

 

lol? The laptops fans suck dust into the laptop.
If you live on this planet you cannot avoid dust.
How could you? Use a screen or filter? That doesn't stop dust and just restricts airflow.
The resolution is to just keep things clean and get rid of the dust.
I dust out my desktop rig once every month or two.

Back of the laptop? The airflow intakes are on the bottom and exits out of the back. The more the intakes and exhaust breathe the better the cooling.
The point of the cooler is because if you set the laptop on most surfaces there is little space to allow good airflow. This is true for most laptops...
Even the most high end thermal paste will not matter if there is not proper airflow. Thermal paste just makes sure the heat conductivity between the CPU/GPU and the heatsinks/heatpipes is optimal. After the heat is transferred it then needs somewhere to go.

 

the cooler blow dust to the fans ... if you didnt note it, i am going to tell you ( there is a huge grill in the back of your notebook, if you blow dust, this is going to go into the entire motherboard. I am a experienced notebook-gamer user. You dont need any cooler if you have a good thermal paste job. this add more portability, that is the idea, no ? i dont have any cooler and i have a modest GPU OC and always my notebook run very cool on large gaming sesion. do not ask advice if you dont want to hear a good answer.

for other side, there exist another type of coolers that works like a vacuum. Better to stay away dust from your notebook

 

Well first off I asked for advice on a suggested product to purchase, not on whether I should get a cooler or not. I have used coolers for years and know they help greatly with air flow. So your reply in essence is off topic slightly.

2nd, I repeat myself, the vents in the back of most if not all Alienwares can never suck in air / dust because they are EXHAUST vents. This means they blow out air. The intakes which would suck dust in are on the bottom of the laptop. Regardless if you use a cooling pad or not, the laptop will be sucking in dust through the bottom. That's just the nature of how air flow works in computer cases of any kind.

3rd I repeat myself again, thermal paste has nothing to do with airflow. If you restrict the air flow on a system that has the best thermal compound in the world it will heat up. Also is true for the opposite, if you increase the air flow the temperatures will fall until you hit the thermal conductivity limit of the heat sink and paste. You must displace the heat! You do this with air!

Lastly again I am repeating... you cannot remove dust from the equation so to plan your cooling around dust is foolish. One should just optimise airflow and be sure to clean their laptop/case regularly. Dust is only bad if you don't clean it and it accumulates.


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i dont know if this is a joke ... you boght probably a 2000 dolars notebook and later a 5 dolars cooler lol if you thought in air flow, try with something like a cooler master U3

 

My laptop had heating issues and I got CM Notepal U3+ and that got my temps down for around 10° C. I didn't do a thermal repaste although I bought a new paste.

 

I would fully recommend that re-paste, the 4720HQ does run a touch warm!

To put that into perspective, my previous machine that had the same CPU, I re-pasted with Liquid Pro and my temps dropped 10-11c....... That is more than decent!

 

I like the look of that cooler. Does it take power from the usb or is it a seperate supply?

 

It uses a USB port but also has a USB port on it so you don't lose the port you plug into.

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Stock USB powered coolers will not do much besides giving the laptop a flat surface to sit on and possibly a more comfortable viewing angle.

If you want a cooler to make a difference, you're going to need 12V fans. You're also going to want to remove the bottom panel or modify the bottom panel of your laptop to expose the heatsinks. Once the heatsinks are exposed, pushing a strong flow of cool air on them will make a significant difference. Simply pushing air into a vent will not do much at all either, which is why a modified or removed bottom panel is crucial.

For example, this:


Combined with this:



Makes a huge difference on my M15X. Check out my thread here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/another-coolermaster-u3-bottom-tray-mod.789298/

BTW, tests on my thread were done before I cut the Coolermaster's top panel like in the above pic. I think it's safe to assume that temps will be even better now because there is no air obstruction coming from the U3's panel.

 

Exactly so what did we learn here??
You used stronger fans which create more airflow.
You made the bottom of the laptop more open which restricts the air flow less.


Nice job btw thats pretty awesome.
Is that cooler master modded too?

 

Yeah, the Cooler Master is heavily modded. In hindsight, I might have been better of buying one of those cheap Ikea plastic laptop stands and cutting it out to fit some 120mm fans. That would have been cheaper too.

 

I like what Kosti's done, but I agree that forcing air in may also be creating problems. I'm assuming the goal here is to overclock yourself into what would be the 90+ degree range without added cooling. Otherwise there wouldn't be any point at all--the chips are designed to run warm.

Re/Kosti's efforts, the cutouts to the U3 would be required under any case, IMO. The turbulence created by the U3's grating likely destroys most of the airflow. As eveidence, I would point out that the 10 degree (c) improvement often cited is the same improvement I get just by lifting the laptop up an inch in back. So if the U3's gonna help at all, it's gonna need cutouts, IMO.

Secondly, I like what Kosti's done to the underside, but I worry that in creating so much ventilation that the normal, factory air flow might possibly be disrupted. Dunno, but it's a thought.

Lastly, the vacuum fans that mate to the rear exit vents seem like an elegant solution to me, but there are reports of these overstressing the internal fans to the point of failure. Doesn't make sense to me but they're out there.

Lastly lastly, I don't see increased dust intrusion as a likely issue, unless you're just setting it in dust. And I would imagine that simply wiping the area down out to eliminate the danger.

 

Regularly cleaning any computer from dust is a must regardless of the cooling solution.

 

What about the custom cooler @JerseyBoy designed and said should be perfect? Have some seen any results of this?

 

Link to the post?

 

I'm on my phone and my eyes isn't good, LOL. But I mean this was in the later part in the main Aw 17R2/3 thread.

 

Hahaha I'm also on my phone. That's why I asked for the link. Heh, I'll find it tomorrow. ;p

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Take a look http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...3-owners-lounge.770314/page-269#post-10229713 Do not think this project was / or will be any success. Some think they are God

 

Anyone else?

 

UPDATE:
The HAVIT HV-F2056 is a solid inexpensive laptop cooler but its too small for the 17R3 and it seems to slide off.
Rubber feet would either need to be added to the laptop or the top of the cooler. So this one is going back!
I'm now going to try the HV-F2063

 

2 of the fans will give zero effect from this cooler. The two lower fans will blow straight to the bottom cover. Why buy this, when there are better purchase?

 

Give me some examples...
I just need something to set it on. Bought this one because it has two things that stop it from sliding off. I tried two so far and the laptop slides off. Not many of these coolers are made for 17.3in laptops even if it says up to 17".

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Most people prefer U3. Easy to modify. You can use rubber knobs attached to the cooler(See the colored boxes). Place the laptop feet above these rubber knobs. Then will your laptop never slip down. You can put the rubber knobs where you want on the cooler

My mod U3 http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lienware-laptops.593626/page-46#post-10208973

 

I'd rather underclock / undervolt than use a laptop cooler. They're such unwieldy things that defeat the point of a mobile system, imho.

 

if you made a re-paste with liquid metal thermal paste, you are not going to need any cooler pad. Only a stand to ensure the flow of air
i have a genius NB100 unpluged. Only to have angle. If i was you i will bought this http://www.amazon.com/Steklo-Alumin...id=1463702502&sr=8-1&keywords=macbook+X+stand
easy to carry and premium materials

 

This is the one that I use at the office as my 17R3 pretty much stays stationary. I liked how it has an aluminum surface with big holes and it's for 17" laptops. The two stoppers work great and the rubber pads on on the laptop sit nicely on the cooling pad.

 

Nice recommendation. Just ordered on.

Cheers.

ps...It's funny how it's listed for Macbooks as the intake vents on Macs are on the side with no intake vents on the under body LOL...But I guess something (elevating it) is better than nothing.

 

you always have things that i want :'(
i want one .... i live in Colombia and the shipping is insane

 

Oh dang...I'd fly one on a drone to you if I could...:X

 

hahahahah you will need a nuclear battery

 

Except for the fact that you have a 6700HQ which is not designed for overclocking, but DeeX has a i7-6820HK which IS designed for overclocking. The solution ultimately depends on the case, not a personal preference. Fair enough if you want to underclock / undervolt, you are unlikely to be able to overclock with that CPU, but DeeX might want to overclock and may need the extra cooling (depending on the level of overclocking and the silicon lottery).

As you know, I'm building my own cooling pad, hopefully it will allow me to push the boundaries of overclocking on the 17 R3, if I then want to take it round my friends house all I have to do is revert back to standard settings and leave the cooling pad at home, adding a cooling pad does not make the laptop any less mobile!

 

That's a fair use case and I can see how I could also possibly get a slightly higher GPU OC with additional active cooling although I bought a mobile gaming platform so that I wasn't tied to my desk and subsequently a lot of my my gaming is now being done on the sofa; I can't imagine anything worse than the laptop sliding around on a cooler pad. But I guess people's use cases will be different and if a cooler allow you to squeeze out that extra few percent performance then it may well be a worthwhile investment.

I think I just find fans annoying in general so the thought of adding more of them turns me off. I tried actively cooling my OC'd router the other night but found even that constant background noise too much to handle. Luckily I realised the router was collecting hot air due to poor design choice placing all the vents at the bottom of the chassis with passive cooling. I ended up flipping the entire router upside down so that heat could naturally escape from the vents now at the top of the chassis and rotating the aerials 180 degrees which yielded a really nice temp reduction, especially under load with multiple VPN tunnels, etc.

 

I have a 17r3, and have used a number of laptop coolers over the years. These conventional coolers used to work pretty well on the older gaming lappies, but because of the way our newer AWs (asus ROGs as well) are designed I am seeing only a few percent points of cooling at best.

I decided to try a different type of fan after browsing on amazon. This fan attaches to the rear vent of the notebook and vacuums out the hot air. What convinced me to get one was some other 17r3 owner posted an amazon review with pictures, of a 17r3 with DUAL FANS (frickin genius!). When I got mine and tested temps, I was seeing a drop of >=10 Celsius.

www.amazon.com/Opolar-Cooling-Powered-Control-Operation/dp/B014WH4QPQ

I got mine on ebay but I think several sellers on aliexpress is even cheaper.

There are several different shapes/designs of this type of vacuum fan. If y'all try different ones, please post your results.

 

I'd be wary of anything that could create enough air pressure to spin the system fans independently. Fan motors can become little dynamos under these conditions and generate their own electricity. It seems safer to restrict additional fans to circulation of air around the vents.

 

i think this is gonna damage your fans ...

 

Better yet, take two vacuums and some duck tape....

You'll see a drop of -100C....should try it sometime.

 

Other people have reported no worthwhile change with those Chinese made mini suction fans, the reason for that I believe is they don't have a higher pressure or cfm than the 17R3 internal fans.

My laptop cooler design is going to use either 2 x 80mm or 1 x 120mm high pressure fan. This WILL pull the air through the laptop at a higher rate, but I will be checking the internal fan speeds to see if it increases the speed. I think I can get worthwhile temperature reduction without forcing the internal fan blades to move faster.

My design will mean less noise than having the internal fans in performance mode. Even if I put the internal fans in performance mode for increased overclocking, the pad will reduce the noise and the extra fans will pull the air through much better than the internal fans can manage on their own.

 

That is a LIE. I have TWO CM Notepal U3's and have even installed all 6 fans on ONE of them when benchmarking my laptops. I have NEVER seen a decrease of more than 4°C on any machine; and YES all 6 fans were on MAX. There is NO WAY you got a 10° C decrease in temps (hell, not even with AC air blowing directly onto it LMAO)! Calling BS on that based on a TON of personal experience.

 

Have you repasted?

It is not uncommon to see ~10C at idle though. My four cores idle at ~43C without a cooler and ~35C with a cooler at idle. Yes, just from a laptop cooler.

However, you're right in that under load, the laptop cooler will have less of an impact. Although...

My GPU temps while gaming maxes out at 57C without a cooler and 52C with a cooler. It never fails..always dead on the mark.





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Well, the thing is that without the cooler, base of the laptop and the desk underneath the laptop gets very hot so the fans take in hot air. That is why the cooler helps, it simply lets the laptop get air w/ambient temp. Before the cooler, during a gameplay of battlefield 4 for more than 5-6 minutes, CPU would reach 92-96 and stay on those levels, however now, my CPU is around 82-85 during gameplay, although there are spikes to 90°C. Also, the fan count is not important IMO. I believe that the cooler only cools the air which the laptop gets in through fans, if you have placed fans on the lower side of the cooler, that won't do difference I think.

 

Hi orancanoren,

Indeed, blowing air 'at' the vents is not the best way to cool the laptop, yes it will help with airflow versus having the laptop flat on the desk, as will raising the back of the laptop with a stand or dock. The reason it won't make a huge difference is that the airflow within the laptop is determined by the speed of the internal fans and their air pressure rating. Blowing loads of ambient air 'at' the vents will see most of it escaping around the sides of the cooler, because the airflow of the internal fans is not high enough to consume all that air.

The real way to cool the laptop is IMO to add suction to the rear vents, this will pull air from within the laptop. The internal fans will find it easier to move air through the laptop with the aid of the suction on the rear vents. We do not need to force the internal fans faster, just create a negative pressure in front of the fans to help the hot air escape quicker. This is what my cooling pad design aims to do.

 

I tested with a liquid ultra re-paste on my 4930MX, and 4910MQ. Also tested on a factory paste with a 4980HQ. 4*C max decrease between all 3 of them before using the cooler, and after using it under load. I've done MANY tests.

 

I'm still trying to get SOMEBODY to test the u3 cooling stand (or similar) against propping up the laptop at a similar angle with similar space underneath (but no fans). I believe there is a 10c improvement to be had and it comes from lifting up the laptop. In most cases these fans are just blowing against the case--or their own mesh.

 

Hi john green,

I have done part of this, but not with any real load on the laptop, running at L3 overclock with performance fans running, the change between flat and raised was only 1c. As I don't have a cooling pad yet I can't say if that would have lowered the temperature any more, but it was so close to ambient that I can't see how it would have done.

 

Simply lifting the rear end of the laptop makes a noticeable difference. Yes, more than a petty 1C. =)



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Hi iunlock,

Is that with fans on performance mode or standard? With OC or without? Heavy load or idle?

 

That's without performance mode and at idle it's anywhere from 5-7C when lifted. Under load it helps keep the fans in check to where it's not going crazy due to it suffocating from breathing through a straw ...the ambient air being sucked in will always be hotter when the laptop is flat on the desk as the surrounding area aborbs the hear, effecting the air being drawn in from the sides.

I've taken an infared gun to it to satisfy my curiosity.

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Yup I've just tested it again for fun and it's exactly 6C cooler when the rear is lifted vs laying flat on the desk.