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    Alienware Area-51m Review by Ultra Male

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    Alienware Area-51m Dark Side of the Moon

    CPU:
    Intel 9th Gen Core i9-9900K 8 Core, 16 Thread, 16MB Cache, Processor, 3.6 - 5.0 GHz
    Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut
    Memory: Samsung M471A4G43MB1 128GB 2666 MHz DDR4 RAM (4x32GB)
    GPU: nVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 w/ 8GB GDDR6
    Sound: Realtek ALC3282 Audio
    Headset: Alienware Wireless Gaming Headset AW988
    Screen: LG 173WFG 17.3" FHD 144Hz IPS Display w/ G-SYNC + Tobii eye-tracking technology
    Wireless: Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650x
    Storage: 2x 2TB Samsung 960 PRO [RAID 0] + 4TB Samsung 860 EVO + 2TB Samsung Portable SSD T5
    Keyboard: Alienware TactX keyboard with per-key AlienFX lighting, anti-ghosting
    Mouse: Alienware Elite Gaming Mouse AW959
    Battery: 90 WHr
    Power: 180W + 330W (510W Total) AC Power Adapters
    Extra(s): Alienware Graphics Amp, Razer Manticor Mouse Pad
    Operating System: Windows 10 Pro for Workstations
    Warranty: 4 Year Next Business Day On-Site Warranty

    Re-seller: Sharaf DG in Dubai Deira City Center
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    Benchmarks:

    Cinebench


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    wPrime

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    3DMark11 - CPU 5GHz - GPU 160Core-200Mem

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    Fire Strike - STOCK

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    Fire Strike - CPU 5GHz - GPU 160Core-200Mem

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    Port Royal - CPU 5GHz - GPU 160Core-200Mem

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    Time Spy - CPU 5GHz - GPU 160Core-200Mem

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    PCMARK10 - CPU 5GHz - GPU 160Core-200Mem

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    Temps after a 20 minute game play session in FIFA 19

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    AIDA64 Cache & Memory Benchmark:

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    AS SSD Benchmark:

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    CrystalDiskMark:

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    Windows Experience Index:

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  2. Vasudev

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    Temps look fine for 5GHz all cores on stock Colgate and unusually high ambient temps as well.
    Is it better machine than m15 or worse?
     
  3. SpentaTONofMoolah4k

    SpentaTONofMoolah4k Notebook Enthusiast

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    What are all your overclock & unvolt settings/apps for those scores?
     
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    What's the use case
    What's better: an orange or a watermelon?
     
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  5. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    Only using the Alienware Command Center to overclock

    2019-04-17_060544.jpg
     
  6. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Damn 5GHz at 1.1V. You got a lottery.
    I can't even make my Jokebook HQ work at 3.1/3.5GHz at 0.9V, it uses 1.1V.
     
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    SSD Benchmarks added to the OP
     
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    What’s up with that 4K speed? o_O
     
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    That's a good score for a drive that is not using WriteBack Cache. The Dell IRST Driver has not the support for this :rolleyes: It doesn't install the real IRST app but install the Microsoft Store app that is buggy as heck.......

    Here's what happens when I try to access the Performance section:

    Intel Optane Memory and Storage Management Error.jpg
     
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    Yeah, DELL prefer do it this way. Weird use of apps for everything. Sad it will hamper the 4K scores. FYI. I haven’t seen notebooks from Dell with proper/high ssd performance. Whatever ssd brand you put in.
     
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    Grab the generic Intel IRST UWD driver, it gave a sizeable boost in writes on HDD/SSD. Response time is great too!
     
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    CPU temps of 75-84 degrees Celsius with the i9 9900K during gaming seems reasonable. I was getting crazy hot temps of 100 C and over on the new Alienware Area-51M system I received on Friday. No idea why it was getting so hot during a 20 minute gameplay session of Battlefield V set to ultra settings, and with ray tracing features enabled. I had the fans on “performance’ mode too. Sent it back to my reseller just yesterday, and hoping to receive a replacement unit by next week sometime.

    It could have been that mine hardly any thermal paste on the chip, or just received a bad thermal paste job from the factory. All sorts of possibilities. I actually tried to open the thing up, to reapply the thermal paste myself, but couldn’t manage to even get to the damn heatsink. Shortly after I had sent the laptop back, I realised I had missed two screws on the rear of the system that I hadn’t removed, which was why I was struggling to remove the rear exhaust cover of the chassis. It should simply slide off with a quick tug.

    If I happen to experience any CPU temperature issues with the new unit I receive, I may just play around a bit with the voltages, or change the stock thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
     
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  13. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    That is it, really nice test! Contains everything what is important, I'm especially happy 3DMark11 score included too.
     
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    Hmm, that RAID0 benchmark result looks low? This is what I get on a single 970 EVO Plus
    in my m15, stock settings:

    [​IMG]
     
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    That is insane man! Compared to my previous results my above benchmark is a big improvement but that 970 EVO PLUS is killing it! superb 4K Read/Write speeds!

    You aren't using any caching software like RAPID or whatnot right?
     
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    Like I said, standard settings. Now that you mentioned, I tried disabling write cache flushing - no difference to speak of.

    My point is: are these RAID0 numbers what we would expect? Is the sequential single drive performance of the 960 Pro 2TB really just 1350 / 1200?
     
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    Yeah, so Samsung claims 3500 / 2100 for the 860 Pro, so unless there is a driver/hardware issue it would be safe to conclude that a single modern SSD maxes out the NVME interface and there is no point in putting 2 in RAID0 hoping to gain sequential performance.
     
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    Good score w/o any write cache involved.
    What's the drive health considering that the drive has taken 80TB of writes in its lifetime!
     
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    the older one (almost 1.5 years old) is 99% and the 2nd 960 PRO which I bought 8 months later is @ 100%
     
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    Hmmm very good....
    Does 850 EVO drive health behave oddly? I just wrote 2TB and Used Cell percentage is already 7 while my PM951 has written 20TB and still shows 4% cell used with drive health 100%. I just can't interpret Samsung SMART values. Different brands use different methods to calculate health.
     
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    Could you post results from Aida64 Cashe & Memory benchmark? Thanks
     
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    please remind me again tomorrow I'm in bed now :rolleyes:
     
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    Depends probaly how he have put power plans. The Cpu/mem info in Aida benchmark test will be added once you start the benchmarks. Could be the lowest clock frecuency on one core was very low (not all cores is taxed).

    I use max performance power plans. + max performance settings in bios. And the info will be correct.
    [​IMG]
     
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    You are correct my friend.
    Changed Power Plan for this one.

    Screenshot (aida2).png
     
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    Here's my WEI:

    [​IMG]
     
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    And here is your older from your MSI Jokebook. So don't take this Windows Experience Index test too seriously, bruh. Same also if you run the OpenGL graphics test in Cinebench R15. As you know... The old 980M crushed the newer and much faster 1080 in OpenGL :)
    upload_2019-6-10_1-18-30.png
    Spent som time with my ram. Stock ram speed is 2133MHz ~2800MHz.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Nice benchmarks. Can you please share your wPrime 1024M, Cinebench R15 and Cinebench R11.5 results as well? With both stock clocks and your daily driver overclock would be nice. 3DMark Vantage would also be nice to show off your 9900K, as it is a pretty CPU intensive workload.

    Thanks, bruh.
     
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    With no Software Installed, just drivers:

    wPrime.jpg


    After everything was installed:

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    Is this Stock clocks? Or your 5.0GHz overclock? What have you installed that eat up all the performance?

    This is with stock clocks and with tasks and Antivirus running in the background while testing.
    upload_2019-6-13_1-59-52.png

    Cinebench R15 and Wprime 32M - stock clocks :)
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