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    Alienware 17 R4 120hz TN vs IPS video

    Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by Hadookaan, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. Hadookaan

    Hadookaan Notebook Enthusiast

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    As the title says but the video is in Chinese, still you can see the comparison IE colors viewing angles and some gameplay (its actually the 15in not the 17in)


     
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  2. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    Alienware 15 (no numberpad), not 17.

    (Below are impressions of the images with the sound turned off. At 2x video frame rate or skipping with right arrow.)

    Photographs highlight the need for good color calibration when doing working with photos.
    I wonder whether these screens are just factory color-calibrated. Or have they been recalibrated?

    Video needs editing.
    8:20 before laptops open
    14:20 before turned on

    27:30 before color comparison and slideshow starts.
    Left screen looks slightly more blue than right in storm clouds of straw harvest painting (28:16), but both have bluish snow cranes (28:41).
    In half-face screens around 28:50 the image starts very blue but incrementally settles down as if some color correction is happening. The colors do not change at same time in both screens, so it seems to be happening in the computers, not the camera.
    32:00 tilts screen
    32:08 at angle, left screen looks noticeably bluer than right
    32:18 but not as much difference straight on.
    Dark room, so camera autoexposure overexposes many of the images, better when he picks up the camera and moves closer so screen fills more of the image.
    43:00 first slideshow ends

    54:00-56:00 changes the right-hand computer.

    56:00 slideshow starts
    Now left screen looks much too blue compared to right screen. (Do cameras adjust color balance?)
    58:15 Milky Way looks blue on left even when both screens reduced to minimum brightness.
    59:20 Storm clouds in straw harvest painting look much bluer on left than on right (gray scale accuracy),
    Comparing a screenshot at 59:40 with one at 28:16, in 59:40 the left screen is even more blue than it was at 28:16, so something must be different (color space settings? camera color correction?). If the computer photo-viewer was adjusting colorspace for images at 28:16, maybe that is not active at 59:40. If the camera is doing color correction, I wonder which image has the truer screen colors.
    1:02:44 Snow cranes are bluer on left than on right (snow crane feathers in direct sun do not refract light like ice crystals and should not be blue)
    1:03:04 On left, blue water reflections look like they are reflecting sky; on right the same reflections are green like they are reflecting foliage!
    1:04:21 On left, half face looks unnaturally blue when compared to the right.
    1:09:20 mostly black screen (still toolbars in the corners), left screen seems more uniform.
    1:10:30 end slideshow color screens

    ... setup .... loading ... connect to game server ...

    1:28:00 in game panning view with both touchpads simultaneously.
    1:30:30 adds a mouse and plays on left computer, then same on right computer.
    1:34:30 shutdown game
     
  3. Hadookaan

    Hadookaan Notebook Enthusiast

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    As stated above in brackets I mentioned it was a 15in and not the 17in, also found out that the first half of the video is Tn Vs Tn and from 54 mins onwards, he changes one of the Alienware's for a IPS and which is on the right side.
     
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    another video with 15in 4k vs 15in FHD
    and 15in 4k vs 17in 4k

     
  5. jacksnakeskin

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    I hate these 2 hour Chinese videos made by weirdos with masks hearing creepy music and stuff
     
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    ah fk it. I've been flip flopping a lot on these screens.

    it seems I'll need an IPS.
     
  7. QUICKSORT

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    I will never go back to TN. G-sync on its own is not enough reason for me to switch to TN panel. Especially since there are G-sync panels on IPS displays.
    I would have loved to see the UHD IPS display with g-sync on the alienware 17.
     
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    Would like to see the 17in 1440p 120hz TN vs the both FHD/UHD IPS
     
  9. Maru

    Maru Notebook Consultant

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    Timing and impressions of the unedited screen comparison video "12".

    (Viewed with sound off, 2x frame rate, jogging right with right arrow, low res slow screen.)
    (With time info below, maybe someone with a fast frame rate screen, or a high resolution screen, can take a look and report if the video shows any visible differences due to frames-per-second in games, or high resolution photos.)


    (00:00-22:30 setup, connect to server, etc. AW15 and AW15)

    22:30-25:40 in game moving around, characters meeting face to face. Everything in left screen is more blue compared to right screen.

    (25:40-27:50 connection lost on right-hand computer, setting up another game ...)

    27:50-32:50 in game moving around, characters meeting face to face, characters facing same direction

    (32:50-35:40 exit, ... open browsers)

    35:50-37:45 in browser, scroll up and down three column site with animated ads. White background is bluer in left screen.

    37:45-40:00 desktop Milky way. Left screen has blue fringe of MilkyWay, right screen has just a little purple color in MilkyWay.

    40:00-43:50 switch left computer AW15 with a different AW15. Turn off lights.
    The purple in the right screen MilkyWay depends on what is displayed in the left screen, so it might be an effect of camera color balancing or level balancing.
    - 40:25-40:50 The purple still remains when the left screen is black, and when the computer is removed, though the operator is partly in front of the camera.
    - 43:09 The purple in the right screen disappears when the lights are off and the left screen is showing a bright full screen white warning panel with turquoise titlebar.

    43:50-45:00 showing backlit chinese keyboard
    45:02 briefly tilt screen forward on left computer, colors stay the same.
    In MilkyWay desktop, Left computer shows a blue-greenish Milky Way, right computer shows a purplish Milky Way.
    46:55 Storm clouds in farm straw harvest panting are light blue-greenish on the left, gray on the right. The lighter blue-green could be mistaken for sky, and the straw looks a little more sunlit rather than overcast light.
    48:00 The dark forest, water, and dress in the raft painting are less dark on the left screen, more dark on the right screen. Maybe the left screen is brighter, as the camera overexposed the mountains on the left, not on the right.
    49:59 The snow and snow cranes look blue-greenish on the left screen, a little purplish on the right screen.
    53:50 Blue-greenish skin on the left. Left screen needs better calibration, it is overly blue-green.
    56:00 Mostly black screens, except for icons in the corners. Left screen is more uniform. Begin solid colors.
    59:35 end of solid color screens

    (59:35-1:04:50 desktop)

    (1:04:50-1:08:50 remove right computer AW15, replace with AW17)

    1:08:50 In Milkyway desktop, right computer has similar purplish MilkyWay to the computer it replaced.
    1:12:12 Black screen shows left screen is more uniform than right screen. Begin solid color screens.
    1:15:40 Storm clouds in farm straw harvest are blue-greenish on left, purplish on the right. Light clouds seem more overexposed on the right screen, maybe right is brighter.
    1:16:40 Raft scene shows mountains less overexposed on the left than before, maybe screens are better matched in brightness. Green trees stand out better on the right, whereas on the left it merges with the greenish background. Background is a little purplish on the right.
    1:27:00 end slideshow

    (1:27:00-1:40:00 remove right computer AW17, focus camera on left computer AW15 only.)

    1:40:00-1:42:00 boot into bios setup, set boot drive to USB, turn off raid,boot.
    1:42:00-1:43:30 enter windows(?) setup, delete many partitions(?)
    (1:43:30-1:50:55 wait for intstaller)
    (1:50:57-1:52:15 lost video)
    1:52:15-1:54:48 setting up windows (Chinese), select LAN, ...
    1:54:48 Alienware desktop
    1:54:59 control panel: i7-6820HK, 16GB
    1:56:00 drivers: Alienware control panel, ...GeForce 2.11.4.0 ... Vulcan Run Time Libraries 1.0.11.1 ...
    1:56:50 NVidia GeForce 1070 panel
    1:56:55 Toshiba NVMe 1TB drive
    1:58:05 Partitions: 953GB NTFS on C, adding another drive.
    2:00:25 end
     
  10. Wiz bit

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    what i would like is a glossy panel instead of these ant glare rubbish that detract from sharper and higher contrast. The alienware 17 3d panel from 2013/14 was 1 of the best you could buy.
     
  11. DeeX

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    To make sure to everyone seeking IPS, the FHD IPS has a 25ms response time and the 4K IPS has a 27ms response time.
     
  12. nemoris

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    If i really needed 120hz, I could just plug in a 144hz external monitor right?

    I'll get more use out of the ips than a tn panel most of the time. I rarely play shooter/fps games.
     
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    Totally agree. Although these anti glare panels serves its purpose by lessening reflection but it takes away the sharpness substantially. Too bad cellphone displays are far more advance with its own anti glare while retaining its sharpness.
     
  14. DeeX

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    That has yet to be tested but that should be the case. We are not sure how the connections are actually routed.
    If optimus is truly able to be disabled then yes
     
  15. nielo

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    Can someone tell me if the Alienware 15 r3 on the right is an ips or tn 120hz(on the linked video on the first page)? i plan on buying one but coming from an oled screen I cant compromise on color and contrast. Hence I need to know which has better (non blusih tint) contrast saturation. 120hz tn or 60hz ips.
     
  16. nemoris

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    after min 54, the right one is IPS.