AW 17 R4 1070/1080 GPU overclocking assistance

Hey guys, finally got my unit running sweet at 4.2Ghz 72C max and 62 average on OCCT so i now want to turn my attention towards the GPU. It never goes beyond 62C in the most stressful GPU benchmarks and the max voltage is only just over 1V and power draw only 155Watts. I know this card is capable of so much more but even with the GPU voltage offset st to +200mV in XTU I can only get +200Mhz on the core and +300 on the mem stable. Temp is never an issue but even upping it to 400mV in XTU doesn't allow me to clock anymore than that, it's like the XTU GPU voltage offset isn't doing anything and I'm achieving the existing overclock with just stock voltage. Do I have to change something else? I'm now running BIOS 1.02 but the tests above with 400mV etc were done on BIOS 1.08 do perhaps I should try again?

Can you give me you're experience of what GPU, volt offset and clock and MEM speeds you're achieving to know if I have a problem here? I know the cards are limited to 170W power draw but I'm no where near that...

Thanks!

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for 1080 try +26mhz core and +300mhz mem, work on the memory first before the core

try 3dmark, unigine etc etc benchmark to see if you overclock too high and make the memory scale backwards (worse performance)

 

Ok thanks I will do! What about the power/voltage restriction how can I nail down what that is? Should I post some screenshots? What's needed? I don't think the voltage is increasing, how can I check, is hwinfo reliable enough to check from a stress test? Should I do unigine for this?

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I don't think you can increase the voltage on the laptop 1070/1080s at all with a software.

Has anyone overclocked the 1070? and if yes how high were you able to keep it stable?

 

I can't increase the voltage with my 15 r3. i have overclocked my 1070 with +200nhz coreclock and +750mhz memory clock. I get about 65 degrees celcius under full load. But somethimes the 1070 goes to its powerlimit and i cant increase it because it is locked.

 

Yea it reaches its power limit pretty fast I wonder if it's better to have a lower overclock to prevent it from reaching it.

 

I hope that someone can unlock the powerlimit sometime...

 

When you say limit is that definitely a voltage limit as well as power? I'm aware of the 170Watt power limit by not aware there was a voltage limit. Can anyone confirm this with a source? In MSI Afterburner it shows 0mV on the right hand side and there's no option to change this is there?

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There is a way to unlock the voltage settings in AfterBurner, however it does no good when hitting a power limit.

Actually it is a topic we have been discussing with Dell and their engineers.
In unrelated efforts, others have reached out to Dell via Frank Azor and others and also have brought this issue up. They seem to be aware of it and on top of it. Typically speaking changes to the power limit will come in the form of a software update. (i.e. BIOS update).

 

Thanks Deex, I to have now unlocked the voltage settings in AB but it appears to do absolutely nothing to the GPU voltage. No matter what I select the slide to our the graph it never goes above 1.063V. Do you have the same? It seems to me this restriction is preventing a higher OC rather than the 170W power limit at the moment

The reason I'm asking all this is that right now I have a gtx 1080 graphics card overcooked to +200/700 on stock voltages and it's only capable of a 21XXX firestrike score. This is well within the range of the gtx1070 scores posted on this forum so right now I feel like it's a waste of money and I should have got the 1070...

Why are people able to OC the 1070 to beyond the 1080 stock level but I'm not able to OC well beyond that, it sucks!

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The option to increase GPU voltage or power limit is disabled on my A15 R3, or if I use an application where it is not disabled then it's doing nothing in reality

 

The reason I'm asking all this is that right now I have a gtx 1080 graphics card overcooked to +200/700 on stock voltages and it's only capable of a 21XXX firestrike score. This is well within the range of the gtx1070 scores posted on this forum so right now I feel like it's a waste of money and I should have got the 1070...

Why are people able to OC the 1070 to beyond the 1080 stock level but I'm not able to OC well beyond that, it sucks!

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Yeah and the guy who currently has the first place record has his gpu core clocked to 2101. That's more that the 1080. But honestly, that's the very top of the 1070s. My completely stock core clock was 1911 and I have a high GPU score than that. I have heard that repasting helps a lot with over clocking.

My biggest problem is my Physics score, which was 11,133. That seems super low. I haven't re-pasted yet, but I hope that will help my CPU from throttling because of heat.

 

What’s the best overall overclocking tool for the 1070 on the 17 r4? 7700hq impossible to overclock right or keep at 3.8 overboost, seems like mine just jumps to 3500 for few seconds is all.

 

OP, have you repasted or done any mods to the cooking system to achieve those awesome temps? I'm interested in buying an as butg was afraid of the thermal issues. Thanks

 

for 1080 i use curve for core and 400+ for memory, super stable, limited to 1V and 2000Mhz, temp stay under 74C after hours of gaming, I have being using this for month and not a single crash.

 

MSI AB

Yes I have, list is in my sig

Thanks I already have a similar profile based around 0.96V now for just shy of 2GHz

 

Pete Light
What a version of bios you have?

 

What i'm doing wrong?

 

1.1.8

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Nothing, your GPU is not able to run at 2GHz with 1.0V
What are you using to stress the GPU in this test?

Also I would try a less aggressive jump in frequency from the voltage increment before 2GHz. I'm not an expert but I think you could make life easier for your processor by having a more gentle curve to 2GHz. Try setting 2 GHz at the max V as well as a more gradual curve. This is 1.062V and may work.

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You're doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Open GPU-Z and look at the readout.
You're running into power limits. I don't know the TDP of your GPU but if the TDP is exceeded, the GPU clock will be limited to stay in TDP limitations.

If this is a GTX 1070, from what I can tell, if you lock the 1.00v voltage step with control L and a core OC (2025 mhz target..+200 mhz overclock here for that) requires *185W TDP* to avoid hitting the power limit. Even 170W TDP will hit the power limit here. If you're using a stock vbios, locking the voltage steps won't gain you much. You can try running 3dmark firestrike to check your scores, but the TDP is going to just throttle the card even harder unless it's on a low load scene.

At pure stock clocks and completely unlocked power limits, the 1070 can pull up to 235W from the MXM slot. (MXM slot's max rating is 19.5v x 10 factor =195W, which is maximum BURST current rating (whether it can handle this sustained depends on the mainboard and the VRM circuitry quality as well as whether the card itself (integrated or MXM) can handle that draw; the MSI cards themselves can handle over 200 TDP).

You guys are really wasting your time trying to use higher voltage steps on laptop 1070 cards. Again, check with 3dmark firestrike, but all you are doing is just making the card throttle more. The TDP limitation is holding you back too much. Just set your core and RAM overclocks and be done with it. I believe some people experimented with setting a higher voltage point with lower clocks but that's beyond me.

If you want the most from the 1070's, you need to TDP mod them. 185W TDP limit will burst TDP around 202W maximum (Safest is to use 151-170W TDP range in Coolane's Pascal Editor, and no higher unless you know for a fact what you're doing), and you also have to make sure your laptop can handle the higher TDP +CPU+System draw without extreme power throttling of the CPU if you only have a 230W PSU. Best to buy a 330W PSU if the Alienware has a "PSU Sense pin" to detect the PSU power rating, if you intend on modding the 1070 in this way.

 

I have 17R4 with i7 6820 gtx1080 (Repaired 5 times by the official support service in Ukraine).
Apparently, I have encountered a limitation of the system and overclocking is impossible. Thank you)

P.S. Dell replaced the motherboard, display unit twice, case, keyboard, usb module. But they do not want to send me a new unit, despite the fact that the problems accumulate with every repair. Now they completely broke the tron light and tobii... . Service in Eastern Europe terrifying.

 

never let those morons touch your laptop. always do it yourself.

 

This is a warranty repair. We do not even have a specialist to go home.