[Review by ::iunlock::] - ALIENWARE 17R4 -vs- MSI GT73VR [Unrated Version]

Try @Pete Light

 

The right answer as I feel
Untuk optane memory msi gen 7 udah support belum ya om?

 

Dunno

 

Ah yes.. Pete is the only person that I'd recommend in his neck of the woods.

::iunlock::

 

i bought an AW r4 6820hk qhd gtx 1080 shipped 5 dec 16.

after reading about the garbage QC and thermal design i canx it and ordered a gt73vr 6700hq ips 120hz gtx 1080. its stays a frosty 70c under intense gaming, faaaaaar better than the AW.

this review imo was subjective and from an AW fanboy, not very objective.

 

Hi! I have the same conclusion for this model iUnlock.

It's not the good topic but what about a test of razeblade pro 17? Repast and repad to improve gpu perfs and stop throttle on this beautifull laptop (too expensive)? I think it will be a good challenge

 

iUnlock actually has a Razer Blade Pro and has been working on it although the review is going to be exclusive to the LiquidHz website (there have been some previews on the LiquidHz Discord if you're interested in seeing some of what is to come before the full review is published).

 

Oh!!!!!! Thx! Do you have the url of the website ?

 

I found it!

 

Does anyone know how much V are the fan used in the gt73vr ?

 

12v

 

Thank you!

 

I had both of those computers at home, including a clevo, so I made my own comparison:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-r4-vs-clevo-p775dm3-vs-msi-gt73vr-6rf.812415/

I only noticed this thread after I had posted my own, but I also ended up choosing the Alienware. Thanks for a more detailed comparison.

 

70% useless information, most is subjetive biased towards AW and I don't know why suddenly MSI gets compared to a Clevo in a AW vs MSI "review".

More objective and scientific would have been great.

 

Totally agree.
The OP is known to be affiliated with DELL but that's not to say I don't appreciate all the images provided for scrutiny.
As I had said all along, why didn't Dell design two separate heatsinks, one for GPU and one for CPU to alleviate the stress from one side to the other so both plates will make proper contact................. beggar belief.

After Dell knowingly pushed their XPS M1330 with the nVidia 8400GS issue to their loyal customers and now the Alienware heatsink/over-heating issues........with me being a bit dim or too loyal and got bitten twice......................... NEVER AGAIN !

 

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong or not, but it's cheaper to buy an AW and ride it out with warranty until it breaks under warranty, you get a new one and the cycle continues.

I'm not regretting my AW purchase (the R5 has a 110W TDP lock) but I'm sure as hell never to buy one again, but ride this one out until it breaks under warranty again and I get a new one and the cycle continues.

If I'm going to Invest 2000+ in a machine, it sure as hell be socketed/lga. It's just not my style dealing with a locked down bios, or a manufacturer that cripples the performance of YOUR machine.

For a gaming machine the AW is a beast, but for enthousiasts it's not the brand anymore what it used to be. Salute the mx series, AW will never return to their glorious days which put them on map in the first place. This is all my opinion everyone should take it with a pinch of salt.

 

iunlock has nothing to do with Dell. Just as I havent and until the 15R3/17R4 I considered these the best laptops on the market for multiple reasons.

The 17R5/15R4 however is problematic with the i9 but my opinion is that this is a CPU that should not be used in a laptop and that goes for 90% of the manufacturers out there including MSI which cant handle it either in the thick MSI Titan chassis.

Why the heatsinks arent separated? Would be impossible in the small formfactor of the 15inch chassis and apart from the added subwoofer & bigger fans, the 15 and 17inch versions are identical. 1 of the current sized heatsinks would be too small for the Geforce card, so it has to use part of the other heatsink to be effective. In general if you have the right thermal pads for the optimal pressure, the right paste etc you should not encounter cooling problems. I dont have 'm units of my friends dont have them and all are repasted. iunlock also multiple times have proven the cooling is fine as long if you put some effort in tuning it.

Why Alienware for me is a preferable machine? Because MSI for example as an alternative uses piss poorly constructed chassis. All cheap plastic with just a thin aluminum sheet for the palmrest for aestathics and screenlid. But useless for actual structural integrity. They use rubber sticker inlays for preventing palmrest flex isntead of just properly designing a chassis. You can say what you want about the thermals of Alienware and have your opinion about it, mine differs though. But the chassis quality is excellent,.

Also your complains abou tthe Geforce 8400. YOu know right that the whole industry had to deal with this Nvidia issue?

 

Impossible to have two separate heatsinks, are you serious ? Imagine the current heatsink simply with the three heatpipes cut into two and sealed up ? Violá, you have two separate heatsinks, one for the CPU and one for the GPU.
QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM !

So MSI has build quality issues but Dell AW15 R3 has PISS POOR HEATSINK..... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ble-dust-build-up.813509/page-4#post-10771049
Try comparing Dell AW15 to a Gidabyte or an Asus and whether AW is better than MSI is just a matter of conjecture..........at this very moment I'd very much like to swop my hot and noisey AW15 R3 for a MSI.

You can type so I'd assume you can also read but it does seem not rather clearly. If you read it over again, it may dawn on you that the M1330 GPU gripe was not principally about the GPU itself but regarding the deceptively aggressive product marketing to offload CRAP to us unsuspecting loyal customers......and history has repeated with Dell knowing the heatsink has issues and they yet again dumped these laptops using discounts as a lure.

To the very first part of the reply, off course all affiliates would be in denial or maybe simply receiving freebies for partiality, all very same Dell stench.

Edit: Yes I am still very angry, paying such price for a product, I don't expect to also require to fix it.

 

Unified heatsink (shared pipes and fans) has come to stay in Alienwares + many other brands who push for thin design. Aka exactly the same way as those found in most other thin laptops today. See also the heatsink design for Macbook Pro. have to be done like this due the thickness of the chassis.
If next refresh of the Alienware models (2018/19) come even thinner as the later trend, expect also thinner fans with even thinner blades in next model accompanied with the familiar TRIPOD Heatsink.

Maybe Dell will add a second Vapor Chamber heatspreader coold plate instead for the Copper block for the graphics. I expect this is Dell's next step. Or maybe they will go for the same heatsink design as todays Razerbooks if they higher the costs. One piece small Vapor chamber heatsink + thin fans.

Forget two separate heatsinks. It has to be similar design both for the 15,6 and the bigger 17,3 inches chassis. It is called continuity.

 

If you use the proper thermal pads on your heatsink and the proper paste and make sure the contact is even, you dont need to swap anything. Also you can cut the heatpipes all you want but it needs the radiator space to lose its heat to. 1 of those heatsink radiators is not enough to cool a full sized GPU thats why its borrows extra space from the left radiator as well. Posted in one of the other threads but I rebalanced my heatsink, used the ideal thermal pads for each component and now while playing Destiny 2 for 1 hour my CPU temps do not go over 82c with low fan noise with the 1070 around 72c. How is that a bad heatsink? If you want to point 1 problem out, point out the quality control issues.

You have zero proof that iunlock is connected to Dell in any way apart from that he was in contact with their team during his testing. Which I also was in the past.

 

Most important is jsut the right thermal pads. They use too thick pads on various components and no heatsink design can fix that. They need to have a better quality control in place and stop using 2 heatsink manufacturers in the same machine. I think this is the reason why one user can receive a decent cooling machine and the other has to fix it him/herself.

 

You have just proved me correct by your admission to affiliation. Therefore both his and your comments can be negated due to conflict of interest.
Such indiscreet divulgence determines you play a weak game of Chest.
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Putting a fancy name to a concave thermal contact plate speaks of Shania Twain

I'll be impressed if and when Dell actually do something to address this diabolical heatsink issue and promoting false pretences by using affiliates to plaster the Forums with untruths rather than leaving the purchaser with the burden.

 

You didnt even respond on my other post where you started crying about the fans you broke yourself by mishandling and attempted to blame it on Dell.

Regarding my contact with Dell. If you got issues, you can mail the Alienware team directly and they often respond and even help. In my case when I had an issue they shipped a couple of parts to me (i still had warranty btw) and I gave some of my insights regarding issues that I saw. So how is that a conflict of interests?

So stop discrediting me or others if you got zero proof of otherwise. A lot of people here are making efforts to helping people out with honest advice, experiences and sheer effort. What are you bringing to the table? No data, plain flaming, accusations and a lack of insights & intelligence.

 

Just because they are in contact with Dell, it doesn't mean they work for them. I write reviews and have been in contact with Dell, Razer and gigabyte. There's nothing bias about it. I'm in contact with them so I can get to the bottom of deep issues and help them improve.